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[Cheese]

We dropped out of the Prem at the worst possible time really. The season after we were relegated, parachute payments became more lucrative than actually winning the title a year earlier. Typical Bolton.

[masi 51]

30 minutes ago, Cheese said:

We dropped out of the Prem at the worst possible time really. The season after we were relegated, parachute payments became more lucrative than actually winning the title a year earlier. Typical Bolton.

Very true but with that the salaries started spiralling out of control. Doubt as a industry it will ever be sustainable

It amazes me how businessmen who have made Billions change industry and are so inept

[Eddie]

7 hours ago, masi 51 said:

Very true but with that the salaries started spiralling out of control. Doubt as a industry it will ever be sustainable

It amazes me how businessmen who have made Billions change industry and are so inept

It’s not a functioning business model though. 90% of clubs in English football don’t survive at the level their fans expect sustainably.

Look at Wigan. They’ve been up to the prem for a sustained period but have about 7k fans coming through their gate which is their main revenue stream. Their fans would expect to push upwards (as we do), but their new owner says they need to be able to stand on their own two feet - that would be L2 budget based on the revenue they bring in.

It’s not the ineptness of successful business people that amazes me - there’s no other way with football - it’s the fact they want to get in it in the first place. Some, like Liverpool’s owners, will make a mint from it because valuations for top clubs are going through the roof, but if you’re anything other than one of the big 5/6 clubs you’re on a hiding to nothing unless you time it perfectly, can reach the prem and get out.

The Venky’s must wonder what the fuck they ever decided to buy Rovers for, they are well and truly stuck between a rock and hard place. Stop propping them up and there’s never a chance you get your money back, keep throwing money at them in the hope they get lucky one season and hit the big time. Mental.

[Krimzon]

On 21/02/2026 at 19:41, Winchester White said:

Of course you are right, taking too many of most Meds such as painkillers isn't good. My mum had horrendous Crohn's all her life and extensive steroid use back in the day absolutely ruined her later years unfortunately.

I was just curious as to the paracetamol claim as I would have thought nsaids would be far worse.

Late reply but Nsaids such as Ibuprofen (Brufen for the older ones ) are Non-steroidal anti inflammatory drugs . Should be relatively safe for use in most illnesses . Long term use of steroids leads to a condition called "tissue paper skin" which doesnt just affect the skin but thats the bit you see most and definitely would have been not-good for your mums G.I. Tract. 

We know relatively little asbout asthma . The Aussies came up with a theory that its akin to eczema in the lungs and why they think the two go hand in hand .

Paracetamol is the safest of the big 3 "painkillers" for asthma , but they can all trigger attacks , as can lager , perfume, hairspray , aftershave and about a million other things .

The 3 most common painkillers arent actually painkillers . They originally had different uses i.e. Ibuprofen is an antinflammatory designed to reduce swelling , Apirin is an anticoagulant or blood thinner (which is why its not safe if you have ever had ulcers or a gastric bleed) and paracetamol is an antipyretic used to reduce fever . Like Viagra they became more common for the "side-effects" than the primary use . 

When I was last in ICU IV paracetamol had just become common practice as an equal and alternative to Morphine which demonstrates how strong it is especially when combined with something like codine. 

The problems with paracetamol is that is easily available anywhere and is the drug of choice for "cry for help" suicide attempts . However most people are unaware of the catastrophic affects it has on the liver and kidneys in fairly small doses e.g. 12 tabs or 6g of paracetamol is enough to not kill you as an overdose but enough to fuck the liver so much that you can be dead 6 months later . Because of this the majority of doctors Ive met wanted paracetamol to be prescription only . 

[Krimzon]

On 22/02/2026 at 10:53, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I agree.

Some of the meds I take regularly mean that I shouldn't take nsaids. Certainly not in any quantity.

Even without that, they are known for being dicky on the tum.

 

If at all possible look for packets of tabs that have EC or enteric coated on them . These have a protective outer layer that help to prevent the corrosive effects on the stomach . 

[Traf]

6 hours ago, Krimzon said:

 When I was last in ICU IV paracetamol had just become common practice as an equal and alternative to Morphine which demonstrates how strong it is especially when combined with something like codine. 

The problems with paracetamol is that is easily available anywhere and is the drug of choice for "cry for help" suicide attempts . However most people are unaware of the catastrophic affects it has on the liver and kidneys in fairly small doses e.g. 12 tabs or 6g of paracetamol is enough to not kill you as an overdose but enough to fuck the liver so much that you can be dead 6 months later . Because of this the majority of doctors Ive met wanted paracetamol to be prescription only . 

yet you can buy 16 paracetamol for about 30p...

[Krimzon]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

yet you can buy 16 paracetamol for about 30p...

yup , and go shop to shop to get more . 

[Marc505]

Some interesting bits about Tobias Phoenix in this.

[wakey]

2 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Some interesting bits about Tobias Phoenix in this.

full version is here. Speaks a bit more about Bolton.

https://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/keith-hill-david-flitcroft-podcast.344105/

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

4 hours ago, wakey said:

full version is here. Speaks a bit more about Bolton.

https://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/keith-hill-david-flitcroft-podcast.344105/

 

What time does he start speaking about us?

No offence to him but I can't be arsed with the rest of it

[Clarence Carter]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

What time does he start speaking about us?

No offence to him but I can't be arsed with the rest of it

Starts on 51:52. If you click on the video it starts from there.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, Clarence Carter said:

Starts on 51:52. If you click on the video it starts from there.

Nice one

[gonzo]

League One clubs can only spend half of their turnovers on wages https://share.google/A71JK7XiDrm83OFDG

 

Didn't know this was coming in..

 

[only1swanny]

45 minutes ago, gonzo said:

League One clubs can only spend half of their turnovers on wages https://share.google/A71JK7XiDrm83OFDG

 

Didn't know this was coming in..

 

Won't affect us next year then :p 

think clubs relegated should have to follow thise rules too though. 

[Rival Son]

11 hours ago, gonzo said:

League One clubs can only spend half of their turnovers on wages https://share.google/A71JK7XiDrm83OFDG

 

Didn't know this was coming in..

 

As the best supported team in the league (this season, at least) isn’t this an advantage to us? Just a pity it wasn’t around when the yanks were bankrolling Wrexham, Birmingham, etc.

Edited May 17 by Rival Son

[Tonge moor green jacket]

51 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

As the best supported team in the league (this season, at least) isn’t this an advantage to us? Just a pity it wasn’t around when the yanks were bankrolling Wrexham, Birmingham, etc.

Except it doesn't always work that way.

Spent a lot more than 50% and still didn't get top 2.

Likewise twice recently.

[Rival Son]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Except it doesn't always work that way.

Spent a lot more than 50% and still didn't get top 2.

Likewise twice recently.

My point is that other clubs were spending a much greater proportion, thanks to billionaire owner investment, and beat us to promotion.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

The SCMP is nothing new

This season and previous seasons the limit was 60% but it's now being reduced to 50%

The difference this time is (I think) the manager's salary is also included and that only 50% of any cash injection into the club can be spent on wages

 

[Whitesince63]

It’s the PL that needs bigger limits on it with the totally obscene and ridiculous wages they pay. The lower leagues by comparison are no problem.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

It’s the PL that needs bigger limits on it with the totally obscene and ridiculous wages they pay. The lower leagues by comparison are no problem.

The Championship is a huge money pit

[masi 51]

I think we more than likely spent more in Replacing Evatt/Markham and Evatt staff and replacing them with Schumacher/Harkin and their staff this last 12 months than we spent on the team. Crazy that Evatt went and we then replace another six positions....Football is still in the 1960s where replacing managers is concerned... Teams should bring in a goalkeeping coach, Physio and a assistant coach/manager then hire/fire without changing the whole management team

[only1swanny]

10 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Championship is a huge money pit

read that somewhere, seems it's a lot of Championship teams spending for Premier League. When they miss the target they're screwed for years..

[only1swanny]

6 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

I think we more than likely spent more in Replacing Evatt/Markham and Evatt staff and replacing them with Schumacher/Harkin and their staff this last 12 months than we spent on the team. Crazy that Evatt went and we then replace another six positions....Football is still in the 1960s where replacing managers is concerned... Teams should bring in a goalkeeping coach, Physio and a assistant coach/manager then hire/fire without changing the whole management team

Same time, we're still suffering from the Evatt style of play with no clear full backs (wing backs playing there). If we had the same coaches it wouldn't even progress.

But nobody would sign a contract knowing they're cooked when the manager's potted

[masi 51]

3 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Same time, we're still suffering from the Evatt style of play with no clear full backs (wing backs playing there). If we had the same coaches it wouldn't even progress.

But nobody would sign a contract knowing they're cooked when the manager's potted

We are suffering from the Evatt style of play because he was too rigid in how he set his team up.....We had six wing backs and a host of players who he  bought for the ten role who to be frank are/were poor. SS could not replace them all at once but i think that will finally be Addressed this summer

[masi 51]

9 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Same time, we're still suffering from the Evatt style of play with no clear full backs (wing backs playing there). If we had the same coaches it wouldn't even progress.

But nobody would sign a contract knowing they're cooked when the manager's potted

No what i am saying is the polar opposite, if the manager gets potted all the rest of the management team would carry on as normal.  Why should potting a manager mean you lose a good keeper coach or a physio who has been working on three or four players recovery for x amount of time.