Wigan Athletic (H)

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

Try answering the question.

If HIA substitutions were introduced, why would footballers be at risk of muscular injuries?

Rugby players are trained and built for brute force and heavy impact with other Rugby players. Footballers are trained and built for running and tapping a ball about. Are you really this thick?

[Rival Son]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Rugby players are trained and built for brute force and heavy impact with other Rugby players. Footballers are trained and built for running and tapping a ball about. Are you really this thick?

What muscle injuries will footballers pick up and why? If English is your second language, please advise your preferred language.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's not their respective sizes and impact but the type of physical activity (more stress on fast twitch muscle fibres) that can lead to footballers being more susceptible

I'm still not convinced it necessarily follows that HIA substitutions would increase that risk because teams often have to make quick substitutions during a match now

I also think the cynical substitutions thing is overplayed

[Stig]

10 hours ago, Rival Son said:

What muscle injuries will footballers pick up and why? If English is your second language, please advise your preferred language.

I don't think Cheese has understood the conversation for the last page but useful that he's explained rugby players are bigger than footballers. We'd never have known that....

In answer to your question, I don't think there is any difference in likelihood of getting injured if you have to come on the pitch cold. The difference is just how normalised subs are in rugby (probably because there are more knocks and injuries every game) so the subs are constantly on bikes and stuff to stay warm and ready to come on. Footballers would just have to start doing the same if HIA temporary subs became a thing. I don't see any inherent reason in footballers picking up more muscle injuries from the break than rugby players despite Cheese's "useful" observation that they're different sizes.

As to whether I think temporary HIA subs should be a thing, I'm not overly convinced. The thing I like about football over other sports is it isn't stop / start, and this would add another thing on top of VAR breaks, goalie "injuries" etc. I get the welfare concerns but just use one of your subs and take the player off if there's a risk of concussion.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Stig said:

I get the welfare concerns but just use one of your subs and take the player off if there's a risk of concussion.

That's never happening though

It goes against too many other interests in the way

Any meaningful change on this will have to be forced on the sport

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Stig said:

I don't think Cheese has understood the conversation for the last page but useful that he's explained rugby players are bigger than footballers.

So he really is this thick?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

If the HIA system was introduced, it needn't introduce any more delays.

Injuries are assessed on the pitch now anyway.

Then the have to come off to be reintroduced. 

In a way, it could actually speed things up, if a brief initial assessment says a player is safe to leave the pitch. 

[Rival Son]

3 hours ago, Stig said:

I don't think Cheese has understood the conversation for the last page but useful that he's explained rugby players are bigger than footballers. We'd never have known that....

In answer to your question, I don't think there is any difference in likelihood of getting injured if you have to come on the pitch cold. The difference is just how normalised subs are in rugby (probably because there are more knocks and injuries every game) so the subs are constantly on bikes and stuff to stay warm and ready to come on. Footballers would just have to start doing the same if HIA temporary subs became a thing. I don't see any inherent reason in footballers picking up more muscle injuries from the break than rugby players despite Cheese's "useful" observation that they're different sizes.

As to whether I think temporary HIA subs should be a thing, I'm not overly convinced. The thing I like about football over other sports is it isn't stop / start, and this would add another thing on top of VAR breaks, goalie "injuries" etc. I get the welfare concerns but just use one of your subs and take the player off if there's a risk of concussion.

Thank you for addressing my question with such a reasoned and eloquent response. Given the concerns about rates of dementia in ex-footballers, it’s a debate worth having.

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Any meaningful change on this will have to be forced on the sport

Sadly, I agree with you. Where not in the financial interest of clubs or associations, football has a history of acting only when directed by outside agencies, often arising from foreseeable and tragic events.

[miamiwhite]

On 26/09/2025 at 19:44, tomski said:

 

imagine getting worked up about these lot 😂

A few gimps are already doing a collection to get a 'big flag sorted' for when we play them in the return fixture

Leigh White might be asked to contribute tomorrow if he still goes in the same boozer opposite Wallgate 😂 

 

[Stig]

16 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

A few gimps are already doing a collection to get a 'big flag sorted' for when we play them in the return fixture

Leigh White might be asked to contribute tomorrow if he still goes in the same boozer opposite Wallgate 😂 

 

Since when was Leigh part of Wigan?! I've always had it as a Bolton outpost 

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, Stig said:

Since when was Leigh part of Wigan?! I've always had it as a Bolton outpost 

Leigh White the well known poster on here,...... not the area dumbo 🐘 

[Stig]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

Leigh White the well known poster on here,...... not the area dumbo 🐘 

Sorry, I've just watched the video for the first (and only) time, so wasn't referring to your comment 

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Stig said:

Sorry, I've just watched the video for the first (and only) time, so wasn't referring to your comment 

No worries buddy 👍 

[Alf Hartigan]

12 minutes ago, Stig said:

Since when was Leigh part of Wigan?! I've always had it as a Bolton outpost 

Leigh is just a town in itself. Part of Wigan borough but trust me, there’s very few that would support Wigan Athletic , and I would hazard none that support Warriors in rugby league. There’s fucking loads of Leigh and Atherton that support Wanderers.

[tomski]

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

A few gimps are already doing a collection to get a 'big flag sorted' for when we play them in the return fixture

Leigh White might be asked to contribute tomorrow if he still goes in the same boozer opposite Wallgate 😂 

 

I wanted them to beat Cardiff today on the assumption we’d do our bit

[tomski]

I’ve always thought of Leigh as part of Wigan 

[Alf Hartigan]

1 minute ago, tomski said:

I’ve always thought of Leigh as part of Wigan 

Daft cunt 😀

[Dr. Feelgood]

12 hours ago, tomski said:

I’ve always thought of Leigh as part of Wigan 

😱

I hope you've never said that to a Leigther !

[tomski]

1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

😱

I hope you've never said that to a Leigther !

I wouldn’t say it to smiffs 😂 but it’s factually correct is it not? Happy to be corrected. 

[deeane Koontz]

24 minutes ago, tomski said:

I wouldn’t say it to smiffs 😂 but it’s factually correct is it not? Happy to be corrected. 

It is. Just like Bolton is part of Greater Manchester.

[Zico]

20 minutes ago, tomski said:

I wouldn’t say it to smiffs 😂 but it’s factually correct is it not? Happy to be corrected. 

Aye, Wigan and Leigh is like Horwich and Bolton as far as I can see 

It's in Wigan borough, has a Wigan postcode and the dialing code 

It's part of Wigan 

I can see why they'd not want anything to do with it though 

Old mate was same with Horwich and Bolton 

Though he was a Liverpool fan

[Leyther_Matt]

Not biting. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, tomski said:

I wouldn’t say it to smiffs 😂 but it’s factually correct is it not? Happy to be corrected. 

Like telling a Bowtoner he's a Manc is 'factually correct'.

Leyther's & Athertonian's would far rather have been in Bolton if they couldn't have been a unit, with Worsley & Woggdin, themselves.

An unloved forced amalgamation.

[tomski]

39 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Like telling a Bowtoner he's a Manc is 'factually correct'.

Leyther's & Athertonian's would far rather have been in Bolton if they couldn't have been a unit, with Worsley & Woggdin, themselves.

An unloved forced amalgamation.

See it doesn’t bother me the manc stuff. It did when I was younger but the town isn’t arsed to have it’s own identity and it was a bit trivial getting worked up.

[Big E]

19 hours ago, tomski said:

I’ve always thought of Leigh as part of Wigan 

It is. And their rugby team copied wigans kit