Site Supporter victor meldrew Posted September 4, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2013 Not such a great relationship with Rioch that he didn't fuck off. Or Todd for that matter. They've both made fucking millions, at least Garty worked for it. How the fuck you can defend Hargreaves is utterly beyond me. have you never moved jobs to a bigger company ? rioch said GH was the best chairman he had worked with. todd left after gartside took over. and he did do the dirty on hargreaves. big ed took over in 2003 not 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 Best chairman as all the rest sacked him. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 todd left after gartside took over. wrong todd left in september when hargreaves sold frandsen after already selling a few more gartside became chairman in october read the article below, written by a bolton fan who now works on 442 - and then try to defend hargreaves http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/32-Managers/4036-todd-man-out Colin Todd left Bolton in farcical circumstances. Gary Parkinson untangles the story behind his decision to leave The business equivalent of pride before a fall is the construction of a flash new HQ followed by financial disaster and bankruptcy. Building the Premiership-standard Reebok Stadium has brought Bolton Wanderers into such financial peril that there is a grave danger of never getting near that division again. It all started, of course, with the stock market. BWFC merged with Mosaic Investments in 1997 to create Burnden Leisure plc. Five BWFC directors shared a paper profit of £30 million worth of shares in the new company. The initial signs were good, with a new stadium illustrating the newly promoted club’s ambition. Man-ager Colin Todd had a transfer kitty and was shrewdly bringing the squad up to Premiership level (until he signed Dean Holdsworth for £3.5 million). But the last-day, goal-difference relegation at Chelsea in 1998 was to cause more important losses than the odd tear. Players started to leave the Reebok for sizeable sums which were not reinvested in the team. Alan Thompson was the first to go, for a club record-equalling £4.5 million. Little of it was spent on strengthening the team. Yet strangely the plc found the money for a speculative investment of around £10 million on a hotel in the South Stand at the Reebok. On the field, the team had started the season brightly, with Nathan Blake and Arnar Gunnlaugsson scoring goals aplenty. Pity, then, that both were quickly flogged, for nearly £6.5 million in total. At the other end, the suspect defence was plugged by the loan signing of the imperious Jon Newsome, who became available at just £2 million, less than a month after Blake was sold for more than twice that amount. Yet Todd was denied the money to buy him, on the grounds that the club’s fail-ure to sell the old Burnden Park site was costing a packet in repayments on loans secured against the sale. Although Todd remained typically impassive in the media, claiming the sales of the strikers were “footballing decisions” rather than financial (chairman Gordon Hargreaves later revealed this wasn’t true), he was becoming hampered by the tightening purse strings. On deadline day he was reduced to signing a Palace reserve, Jamie Fullarton, on loan and goalkeeper Steve Banks for just £50,000 from Blackpool – though luckily he turned out to be brilliant. By then the messages from the boardroom were becoming dark warnings about failure to gain promotion costing the club dear. Shorn of firepower, leaking goals and fearful of the future, the team plummeted from chasing Sunderland for the championship to scraping into a doomed play-off bid. As if the lack of spending on players weren’t enough, it then emerged that the contract to build the superfluous hotel had been “won” by chairman Hargreaves’s construction company. The contract was not offered out to competitive tender, the feeling being that the company’s “knowledge” of the ground entitled it to the job. No money was provided for Todd during the summer, and he was forced to release the out-of-contract Scott Sellars while being denied permission to sign even loan or non-contract players. Still Hargreaves denied Bolton were a selling club, preferring the euphemism “trading club”. Both Per Frandsen and Mark Fish had clauses in their contracts allowing them to speak to interested Premiership clubs, but at that time there were no takers. While Fish sulked in the reserves, Frandsen buckled down and played diligently, moving his boss to say that losing the Dane, whom he rated at £8 million, would be “one of the greatest disappointments of my managerial career”. However, the straits were now dire, with Hargreaves forced to deny whispers about an emergency meeting taking place to discuss the possibility of declaring the club bankrupt: “It’s absolute nonsense to talk in those terms,” he said. “It’s just not true.” A day later, the Burnden burden was finally lifted with the sale of the site for £6.75 million. The day after that, Hargreaves and his board sold Frandsen to Jack Walker’s notorious spendthrifts for just £1.75 million. Todd resigned on the spot, though it later emerged he had known about, and pleaded against, the transfer for the best part of a week. Frandsen will not be the last to leave. The club may still be as much as £10 million in debt and few, if any, bids for players will be turned down. By the time you read this, Bolton could have lost any or all of Andy Todd, Eidur Gudjohnsen, Ricardo Gardner and Claus Jensen. Seven first-teamers whose contracts are up in June will not be kept on. Nothing about the future is certain, except that it’s bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superkev Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Gartside did the dirty on Hargreaves to take over the club, he couldn't have any complaints if someone did the same to him. Thing is we fallen so far now under his guidance who is going to want to take it on. We have not fallen that far. We are probably in the same position as we were when he took over. Infact better off because we were almost going bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 wrong todd left in september when hargreaves sold frandsen after already selling a few more gartside became chairman in october read the article below, written by a bolton fan who now works on 442 - and then try to defend hargreaves http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/32-Managers/4036-todd-man-out Everyone who folowed the club in the late 80's and into the 90's knew what a set of corrupt fuckers were running our club. Hargreaves, Jones and McBain will hopefully rot in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 only shysters and fuckwits write for wsc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 you're not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anewman Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 hargreaves, now that is a cunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Wsc is an okay read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Christ we could kill for a per frandsen right now. He'd fucking sort things out and then pop one in from 25 yards just to make sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anewman Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Christ we could kill for a per frandsen right now. He'd fucking sort things out and then pop one in from 25 yards just to make sure been lacking someone like that for years now we need a fuckin nutter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 been lacking someone like that for years now we need a fuckin nutter stig tofting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan.Kerr Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Come on now. There's forty odd games left. Leave the bedsheets on the bed where they will do you more good, stop giving Rroverrrs ammo for their Reebok comedy club thread and get behind Dougie. We've had worse starts than this (and don't bother proving me wrong with "in nineteen blah de blah. . . ". You know what I mean. Come on Bolton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Come on now. stop giving Rroverrrs ammo for their Reebok comedy club thread and get behind Dougie. Come on Bolton. I thought it was a shit thread from its conception. We need to concentrate on our own club and as you say, support the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I thought it was a shit thread from its conception. We need to concentrate on our own club and as you say, support the manager. Sensible as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter victor meldrew Posted September 4, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2013 wrong todd left in september when hargreaves sold frandsen after already selling a few more gartside became chairman in october read the article below, written by a bolton fan who now works on 442 - and then try to defend hargreaves http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/32-Managers/4036-todd-man-out internet wanker, do some house work.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 have you never moved jobs to a bigger company ? rioch said GH was the best chairman he had worked with. todd left after gartside took over. and he did do the dirty on hargreaves. big ed took over in 2003 not 1999 Thanks Victor I knew as soon as I mentioned Hargreaves , Carlos would come all guns blazing. It's ok to slag him off but not Gartside? Name me a millionaire who hasn't done anything shady (lottery winners excepted before someone says it). I don't care what some bloke on wsc says,(article is just his opinion again)Could just as easily write an article about the financial mess we are in now.I'm entitled to my opinion as well but when people come out with untruths like we were going bust before Gartside took over, that's just not true. He didnt save the club he just saw an opportunity and took it, fair enough but to my mind he is no better than anyone else.Also we all know why Rioch left, if that's just 'fucking off' then aye ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The same argument people are having about PG (earning far to much) surely GH was this ten times over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Thanks Victor I knew as soon as I mentioned Hargreaves , Carlos would come all guns blazing. It's ok to slag him off but not Gartside? Name me a millionaire who hasn't done anything shady (lottery winners excepted before someone says it). I don't care what some bloke on wsc says,(article is just his opinion again)Could just as easily write an article about the financial mess we are in now.I'm entitled to my opinion as well but when people come out with untruths like we were going bust before Gartside took over, that's just not true. He didnt save the club he just saw an opportunity and took it, fair enough but to my mind he is no better than anyone else.Also we all know why Rioch left, if that's just 'fucking off' then aye ok. Are you a yellow or brown snowball? It's just that your recent posts seem to be full of either piss or shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Thanks Victor I knew as soon as I mentioned Hargreaves , Carlos would come all guns blazing. It's ok to slag him off but not Gartside? Name me a millionaire who hasn't done anything shady (lottery winners excepted before someone says it). I don't care what some bloke on wsc says,(article is just his opinion again)Could just as easily write an article about the financial mess we are in now.I'm entitled to my opinion as well but when people come out with untruths like we were going bust before Gartside took over, that's just not true. He didnt save the club he just saw an opportunity and took it, fair enough but to my mind he is no better than anyone else.Also we all know why Rioch left, if that's just 'fucking off' then aye ok. its not just some bloke on wsc and which bits are you unhappy with - you say the article is 'opinion' much of the article isn't opinion, its fcuking indisputable fact and a lot of it doesn't make very good reading for example, the personal profit made by some board members i'll repost the parts of the article that are matters of fact It all started, of course, with the stock market. BWFC merged with Mosaic Investments in 1997 to create Burnden Leisure plc. Five BWFC directors shared a paper profit of £30 million worth of shares in the new company. The initial signs were good, with a new stadium illustrating the newly promoted club’s ambition. Man-ager Colin Todd had a transfer kitty But the last-day, goal-difference relegation at Chelsea in 1998 was to cause more important losses than the odd tear. Players started to leave the Reebok for sizeable sums which were not reinvested in the team. Alan Thompson was the first to go, for a club record-equalling £4.5 million. Little of it was spent on strengthening the team. the plc found the money for a speculative investment of around £10 million on a hotel in the South Stand at the Reebok. On the field, the team had started the season brightly, with Nathan Blake and Arnar Gunnlaugsson scoring goals aplenty. both were quickly flogged, for nearly £6.5 million in total. At the other end, the suspect defence was plugged by the loan signing of the imperious Jon Newsome, who became available at just £2 million, less than a month after Blake was sold for more than twice that amount. Yet Todd was denied the money to buy him Although Todd remained typically impassive in the media, claiming the sales of the strikers were “footballing decisions” rather than financial (chairman Gordon Hargreaves later revealed this wasn’t true), he was becoming hampered by the tightening purse strings. On deadline day he was reduced to signing a Palace reserve, Jamie Fullarton, on loan and goalkeeper Steve Banks for just £50,000 from Blackpool By then the messages from the boardroom were becoming dark warnings about failure to gain promotion costing the club dear. Shorn of firepower, leaking goals and fearful of the future, the team plummeted from chasing Sunderland for the championship to scraping into a doomed play-off bid. As if the lack of spending on players weren’t enough, it then emerged that the contract to build the superfluous hotel had been “won” by chairman Hargreaves’s construction company. The contract was not offered out to competitive tender, the feeling being that the company’s “knowledge” of the ground entitled it to the job. No money was provided for Todd during the summer, while being denied permission to sign even loan or non-contract players. Still Hargreaves denied Bolton were a selling club, preferring the euphemism “trading club”. Both Per Frandsen and Mark Fish had clauses in their contracts allowing them to speak to interested Premiership clubs, but at that time there were no takers. While Fish sulked in the reserves, Frandsen buckled down and played diligently, moving his boss to say that losing the Dane, would be “one of the greatest disappointments of my managerial career”. However, the straits were now dire, with Hargreaves forced to deny whispers about an emergency meeting taking place to discuss the possibility of declaring the club bankrupt: “It’s absolute nonsense to talk in those terms,” he said. “It’s just not true.” A day later, the Burnden burden was finally lifted with the sale of the site for £6.75 million. The day after that, Hargreaves and his board sold Frandsen to Jack Walker’s notorious spendthrifts for just £1.75 million. Todd resigned on the spot, though it later emerged he had known about, and pleaded against, the transfer for the best part of a week. Frandsen will not be the last to leave. i've removed a few lines for you opinion my arse we won't discuss the benefit to his company of the stadium build as i don't know if the stories i've heard are true Edited September 4, 2013 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) Hargreaves sold his company for a premium based on its inflated order book after the hotel contract was awarded without going to tender. FACTAFUCKUCKINGMUNDOWOTHGREATBIGGLITTETRYFUCKINGBELLSONANDTHATISNTOPINION oh aye I missed ITK to validate it Edited September 4, 2013 by Gonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 Snowball Hargreaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Hargreaves sold his company for a premium based on its inflated order book after the hotel contract was awarded without going to tender. FACTAFUCKUCKINGMUNDOWOTHGREATBIGGLITTETRYFUCKINGBELLSONANDTHATISNTOPINION oh aye I missed ITK to validate it Does Hargreaves have a secretary called Helen? I hope not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrandt Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Makes horrendous reading. And I wouldn't be surprised to be reading a similar analysis of the last 12 years or so before long. Just a feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Are you a yellow or brown snowball? It's just that your recent posts seem to be full of either piss or shit. Whatever. Sticks and stones and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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