Moderators Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2014 since we are hearing a demonstration will still happen tomorrow.... is an anti gartside campain an anti eddie davies campaign? imo, it is anybody else have an opinion or even care it may, of course, be that you think eddie davies saying fcuk it would be good for bwfc to think that i suppose youd have to be confident we can get 160 million together by 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Anything that might piss Eddie off could be disastrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghana White Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 What happens if davies decides he's had enough tommorrow? Genuine question, I assume we're finished but I don't understand football economics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) What happens if davies decides he's had enough tommorrow? Genuine question, I assume we're finished but I don't understand football economics my understanding is that we have 10 years to pay his company back if they demand repayment obvs, theres no obvious way we could raise all the funds but they could force us into administration to get whatever they can i think Edited October 3, 2014 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny G Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 my understanding is that we have 10 years to pay his company back if they demand repayment Yep, he has to give 10 years notice. That is a clause that Gartside insisted on when the finances were reworked 18 months ago, we also dont pay Eddie any interest. Previous to this he could recall it at the drop of a hat and we were paying him 10% per annum interest Gartside out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraffordWhite58 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 A reminder of Gartside's enemy and the old legend of twitter, Peter Harrison Dear Phil,Over the last few months another agent and I have attacked you on Twitter about the way you run Bolton Wanderers Football Club. You have never once replied to our accusations or tried to sue us, which seems strange given the things that have been said.I would just like to explain to the supporters who think that I am having a go at you because I am bitter about you maybe cutting me out of a deal, or as some of them keep mentioning, because I lost Andy Carroll, (although he does not play for Bolton so that’s a bit confusing.)No Phil, I am having a dig at you because you are an embarrassment to BWFC because of your close association with the agent Mark Curtis. This man is probably the most hated agent in football as he has tapped up so many players, many who were about to sign or had signed at your club, and nothing is ever done about it. Agents have complained time again about this, but Curtis always gets away with it. It is the belief in football amongst agents that you, through your position on the FA Panel, are protecting him.Now, agents do lose players, but it seems to happen a lot at Bolton, and agents are frightened to put players to the club, as if they are very good, then they normally get tapped up by your mate and a blind eye is turned to this.Phil, I was working as an agent at BWFC before you were chairman and it was an excellent, friendly club - my second club, although I liked going there so much I was there more than at my first love, Newcastle United.I brought Eidur Gudjohnsen to the club on a free transfer, Ali Al Habsi on a free transfer and represented Gudni Bergsson, and Mick Whitlow. I brought Fredi Bobic to the club, Nakata, and of course represented Jussi for many years.So Phil, I know and knew the club quite well. What bothers me, Phil is that I have negotiated players contracts with you, as have many other agents, and you are very good and capable at doing the negotiations. So why did you start insisting that Mark Curtis has to represent the club when negotiating a contract and therefore paying him a substantial commission.Lots of people are talking about this Phil, and are saying that this just does not seem right. Why pay big commissions to an agent, especially one that has been in trouble so many times with the FA and fined by FIFA, when you are capable of doing it for the club and thus saving the club money.I know you are BWFC’s biggest fan (earning £350,000 per year plus substantial bonuses) but do you not think that you need to be cutting costs at the club because of the financial problems they are having? The first thing a sensible chairman would do is cut the costs and one of the costs to be cut should be stop paying an agent money for a job that you can do.I would gladly represent the club for free and I am sure there is a Bolton supporter out there who would love to be Chairman and not take a salary. C’mon Phil, stop all this whispering going on in football and run the club properly. Be open and honest to your fans.If you have nothing to hide then please tell your supporters how much commission you have paid to Mark Curtis and his co Director David Bromley over the last ten years. Enough I say to have bought two players who could now be helping you fight relegation.So Phil, what’s your reply going to be? Silence? Or maybe your mate at the FA might stick up for you like the last time. Whatever your reply, the whispering and accusations will continue unless things change in the way you run your club.You are a FA board member Phil, the same board who after their failed World Cup bid, complained that FIFA had to be more transparent. Yes, transparent Phil, so show some leadership and come clean on how much of your supporters’ money you have given to Mark Curtis. The FA surely want to prove how transparent English Football is and to put an end to all this nudge, nudge, wink, wink that goes on when your name and Mark Curtis’s name is mentioned.Finally Phil where has all the club money gone? When you look at your Squad you have not spent massively and your wage bill is not that big, so why is the club in so much debt? How come they are over £100 million in debt yet you have received £120 million in Sky money over the last 3 years. It does not add up Phil and hardly merits a bonus!Something’s not right here mate. Transparency, that’s what everyone is calling for. You owe it to your fellow fans. C’mon Phil, speak.Over to you Phil, Bolton fan and proud Chairman.Yours,Peter Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2014 all very good peter harrison http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bankrupt-agent-football-agent-peter-1407918 and all largely irrelevant it wouldnt matter if gartside was murdering kids and eating them for breakfast hes eddies man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Garty Garty Garty, where has our club gone? You know you fucked it, fucked it up so bad. :-) booooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 3, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2014 Whilst you can hold pg accountable for where we are to some degree I don't see how a replacement could improve our situation I believe df and his staff said they had never come across a chairman less interested in football and more interested in the business side of things, ie cost cutting Which is because of the situation we find ourselves in Without a cash injection or takeover I don't see how things would change And that's what pg and ed are working towards Pg out changes nowt as it stands right now and is a pointless exercise demanding it, imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 all very good peter harrison http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bankrupt-agent-football-agent-peter-1407918 and all largely irrelevant it wouldnt matter if gartside was murdering kids and eating them for breakfast hes eddies man Fuck me Sam lent him 300000 and expected to get back 600000 plus interest, was Sam also a loan shark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted October 3, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 3, 2014 Empty words from a chronic pisshead. People are desperate for ammunition, and he's happy to supply it. He's a cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 what the fuck is Allardyce doing lending Lucas Neill money ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Harrison is a drunken prick with a very loose grip in reality. I think he posts on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Is it just me, or was anyone else getting a little more annoyed every time he said "Phil" in that letter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Is it just me, or was anyone else getting a little more annoyed every time he said "Phil" in that letter? Having worked in a call centre for a while it felt a bit like a "build rapport" action for a socially inept new starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Having worked in a call centre for a while it felt a bit like a "build rapport" action for a socially inept new starter. Each "Phil" felt more and more sarcastic. I think that was intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Whilst you can hold pg accountable for where we are to some degree I don't see how a replacement could improve our situation I believe df and his staff said they had never come across a chairman less interested in football and more interested in the business side of things, ie cost cutting Which is because of the situation we find ourselves in Without a cash injection or takeover I don't see how things would change And that's what pg and ed are working towards Pg out changes nowt as it stands right now and is a pointless exercise demanding it, imo Agree with everything here. I understood the Freedman out stuff because his failings were clear for all to see. What I don't get is this Gartside stuff. Folk are basing their judgment on his capabilities on 3 managerial appointments. That's it. Nobody has a clue what gartside does on a day to day basis. It's not like he's some mad trigger happy chairman that doesn't care. Is there another candidate that could come In a persuade ED to start pumping millions into the club again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoe Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Agreed... cant say i am his biggest fan, but surely the big decisions about the strategic direction of the club are only made ultimately with the consent of ED. Hiring, firing, investment, cost cutting. In fact some of those things will come from ED and PG would do the dirty work. What is this protest and change going to give us? Gordon Hargreaves? Or Barry Chaytow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 These demonstrators, what is their solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrandt Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Which is because of the situation we find ourselves in "Because of the situation we find ourselves in" ? "we find ourselves in" ? So it's nothing to do with the guys (ED & PG) who've been running the club for the last 12+ years ? It's just sort of happened to us ? Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoe Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 These demonstrators, what is their solution? They will announce that the week after Its a two parter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Are you forgetting 2001-2012 ever existed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Gartside should go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Agree with everything here. I understood the Freedman out stuff because his failings were clear for all to see. What I don't get is this Gartside stuff. Folk are basing their judgment on his capabilities on 3 managerial appointments. That's it. Nobody has a clue what gartside does on a day to day basis. It's not like he's some mad trigger happy chairman that doesn't care. Is there another candidate that could come In a persuade ED to start pumping millions into the club again? I disagree, he gets paid a bucket load of money. On the football side we are dropping like a stone. On the Commercial side we are overloaded with debt. He has made bad managerial appointments, Freeedman a young inexperienced manager to replace Coyle who was very much the same is the most recent. Why does PG deserve to be excused from the mess ? Either he is to blame of he is being massively over paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blixa Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 As I've said elsewhere, folk don't have a good enough insight into what Gartside does and indeed, what he is asked to do by the owner of the club. Gartside is an employee of the club and as above. Eddie Davies' choice as the man to run the club from day to day. If you don't like what Gartside is doing, you don't like what Eddie Davies is doing. The two are pretty much interconnected when it comes to running the club. Yes, things are shit, but replacing Gartside with another executive isn't going to change that much. The new man will still be doing what he's told, the debt will still be there and he will just be another scapegoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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