Guest Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Where I am; I'd rather we had the opportunity to govern ourselves again. There was a good guy ont radio yesterday, looking at it from 4 perspectives; financial, social, political and emotional. Neil Woodford, the leading fund manager, has researched the financial, which shows that there will be little net effect either way (winners and losers, probably) Socially and politically, we really could do without much of the interference, in my view. So, it's down to emotions, for me, and I'm British, not european; we can be great on our own again, so out for me. But, if we stay in, it'll be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Interesting, I have posted on here before that Neil Woodford should run the country, always interested in what he has to say. Having said that you have to worry that no one knows what Brexit looks like, it is one hell of a gamble to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Interesting, I have posted on here before that Neil Woodford should run the country, always interested in what he has to say. Having said that you have to worry that no one knows what Brexit looks like, it is one hell of a gamble to take. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-3451621/Neil-Woodford-lays-economics-Brexit.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) £11bn a year it costs usOk so £11b devided by 64m is what £166 for every man women and child per year Not sure how that gets the cost of the average family up to £1100 unless the average family has 7 people in it (which I doubt) £166 a year is what £14 a month for every man women and child Very difficult to calculate the benefit of that £16 a month granted I'm still in based on the cost Edited February 20, 2016 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Whereas talk of bearded twats with 10 kids is of course rational discussion on this subject.I get that, but to say all old folk are well off isn't quite right either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 So tell me what I and my family get for my £1100?I don't claim to be the expert on these matters. I'm not sure that figure is real. My point is you making general statements like that are wide of the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Ok so £11b devided by 64m is what £166 for every man women and child per year Not sure how that gets the cost of the average family up to £1100 unless the average family has 7 people in it (which I doubt) £166 a year is what £14 a month for every man women and child Very difficult to calculate the benefit of that £16 a month granted I'm still in based on the cost Every man woman and child doesn't pay though so 64 million is an exaggeration. It is less than half of that who will pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Every man woman and child doesn't pay though so 64 million is an exaggeration. It is less than half of that who will pay. He said £1100 for each family though Family's include children so the maths should stack up Unless the average family has 7 in it then £1100 per family is way over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 We could have a game changer, Farage and Galloway on Brexit rally stage together. What's Galloway's reasoning for being out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted February 20, 2016 Moderators Share Posted February 20, 2016 1-0 Team In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I'm undecided... Broadly, i'm out......on the issue of immigration, migrants' benefits & interference in internal affairs, but, i'm in....because i think we are more secure being part of the larger group, we are in a stronger position to fight our corner from within & i'm leaning towards thinking the economic benefits are stronger from being in than out. But what has pushed me firmly into the "in " camp is that that utter cunt George Galloway is in the "out" camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Galloway is using the tin foil hat don't dictate to us agenda https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/george-galloway-why-im-backing-brexit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I for one will vote out and welcome our new Chinese usual American overlords Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 23 June. Not long to go then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgoefc Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Daily Express/DailyMail/any number of right wing tits on Facebook. Typical left wing retort. Are these good enough for you? Using these it comes to £559 per family. However its based on net contributions. Even the most pro Europe sources point out that calculating the benefits are pretty woolly as most are based on assumptions that we would have had little or no trade with the EU which is stupid. http://businessforbritain.org/2015/07/08/obr-forecasts-for-uks-contributions-to-eu-budget-increase-3bn-in-4-months/ http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/family-demography/families-and-households/2014/families-and-households-in-the-uk--2014.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Anyway no point calculating it just on families as its not just families that pay tax You can add in 3m companies as well from Terry's Tyres to Tesco's all chucking in the skip Add in their contribution and start to pro rata the whole thing based on the money they put in and I'd bet the cost to each average 'family' is about the same as a night out round town Edited February 20, 2016 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 20, 2016 Moderators Share Posted February 20, 2016 if youre gonna use tesco to support your argument, you'll need to accept that tesco have to get their money from somewhere so itll be reflected in their prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 They also have to buy their products from somewhere, what that impact on that will be with an out vote nobody knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Galloway is using the tin foil hat don't dictate to us agenda https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/george-galloway-why-im-backing-brexit Galloway is a cock.Farage, I wouldn't say I like him but i listen to his arguments. I'm in at the moment. But only just. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 The people with most money in society are OAPs, property paid for, no debt, final salary pensions, I don't buy into this scared to turn the heating on bollocks, they get an extra payment that many don't need. I would say that the OAP population divides into 3 separate groups. Firstly, those whose only income is from the state pension, who therefore pay no tax. Secondly, those with a state pension and an income of up to twice that from other pensions, so that they do pay basic rate tax. Thirdly, those with a level of income from pensions such that they pay higher-rate tax. Most impressions of pensioners are the first category. But I believe 15% are in the third category, paying higher-rate tax on part of their 'guaranteed' income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Cameron is such a cock. As an aside I reckon I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 To keep it brief I'll mention three things. One, we're already half out as it is and moreso now with this deal, such as it is. The rest of the EU, or more specifically the Euro countries, will carry on regardless and apparently we now won't be part of the integration which is surely to come. Second, whatever benefits there are to being in are also available to us if we're out. I have not heard one In supporter give an example of one concrete, material thing which we get from being in which we wouldn't out. Not one. Third, think how this whole thing looked in 1975 when we were last asked to vote on it and how little what we have now resembles it. So if we get a referendum again in 41 years time, think if you want to be a member of that. Think if June's referendum was to join. There is so little to be scared of if we leave. In most sense we won't even notice. The greater risk is to remain and be a part of it if it all comes crashing down, which is something easily foreseeable from any number of sources, Greece, Spain, Turkey, Portugal, Syria amongst them. But we'll vote to stay, sadly, unless Boris grows a pair. Then it might be a lot closer. I think Boris will see this as probably his only chance of gaining power. For that reason he is likely to opt for Out. If the Ins win then Osborne is neatly placed to take over before 2020, but if we vote Out Cameron's own position becomes untenable and Boris can get a tilt at the job (btw London Mayor's question time is the funniest programme on TV - he just blusters his way through). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It has to be said a Tory government without an oppostion in labour or censorship in the EU is a very dangerous animal. Borderline dictatorship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It has to be said a Tory government without an oppostion in labour or censorship in the EU is a very dangerous animal. Borderline dictatorship Logic dictates it would move to the right but what we have is New Labour Lite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 In 1975 the Labour cabinet was split, with the majority supporting IN. The Conservative opposition, under its new leader (Mrs T) was strongly IN, with few dissenters. The Liberals, who held the balance of power in the 1974 General Election and had favoured Labour, were as ever IN. The Scottish and Welsh Nationalists, plus the Ulster Unionists and the DUP were OUT (yes OUT!). Now the Conservative cabinet is split, but the majority is IN. The Labour opposition, under its new leader (JC) is strongly IN, with a few dissenters such as Kate Hoey. The LibDems, as ever, are IN. The Scottish and Welsh Nationalists are IN. So nothing has changed really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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