Politics

[bolty58]

Meloni (melons!!) looking like she might be the new Italian president. That might shake things up - especially for the EU.

Predictably, the BBC pumping out the usual 'far right' scares just as they did with Le Pen. If they aren't winning in France, Italy, Netherlands etc., they are coming close seconds which should tell you the trajectory along which public opinion is travelling.

Only a matter of time.

[Spider]

“The bloke just snapped both his legs and lying in agony, but let’s wait and see if he gets up and walks home before we do anything about it.”

sometimes, as with darling Bojo, you don’t need to be psychic to know that something isn’t going to work. All the evidence is under your nose.

For the 1,000th time, it’s not like supporting a football team. You are allowed to turn your back on politicians if they’re shite.

[Ani]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

If you want to become abusive, we can both play at that game. What a lot of over emotional bollocks you just typed. I don't profess to be one of you in particular if you crumble and self destruct at the first sign of (not even assured) adversity. I have many family members and good friends who remain in Bolton and its surrounds. I want nothing but the best possible for all of them and all of you (yes, even you who sees fit to question my loyalty) so, as the locals down here say "pull your fucking head in".

In my experience, when huge changes are made in political strategy, before resorting to histrionics like the overly excitable types do, it is better to give it time and see how things work out. Currency fluctuations for example - I have seen them bounce back and move the other way within a week in the past so don't be doing any wrist slashing just yet.

What if they are right? What if we see measurable gains over the next two years resulting in them being re-elected? Humble pie for you (and others). My advice is to wait and see. It's always darkest before dawn.

If it falls flat on its face and turns out to be disaster, you will certainly get the socialist government many on here seem to believe will be some sort of salvation. Good luck with that. History tells me that they will be lucky to last for more than one term.

Simple questions for you

Do you think the changes announced yesterday are good for the economy in any way ? 
 

Given the changes seem quite unpopular do you think a Labour Govt is more or less likely after yesterday ? 
 

From a moral point of view do you think the changes announced are 'fair' and the burden of getting us out of the mess we are in is being spread across the board ? 

[London Wanderer]

10 hours ago, gonzo said:

This is bigger news than the £150k malarkey for me.

It actually makes me feel sick with anger.

Been in a similar place with it.

This current bunch now put us on a par with the likes of Bolsonaro and Trump on climate policy.

Absolutely astonishing what they've scrapped and given licences to in the past few weeks.

The likes of the RSPB have worked for decades to get some sort of protection for the fragile ecosystem we have left. What the Tories don't seem to have realised yet is that once that collapses then we can wave goodbye to many of our own crops and produce. 

Hopefully our new King will find it hard to remain neutral on this.

Edited September 24, 2022 by London Wanderer

[gonzo]

20 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Been in a similar place with it.

This current bunch now put us on a par with the likes of Bolsonaro and Trump on climate policy.

Absolutely astonishing what they've scrapped and given licences to in the past few weeks.

The likes of the RSPB have worked for decades to get some sort of protection for the fragile ecosystem we have left. What the Tories don't seem to have realised yet is that once that collapses then we can wave goodbye to many of our own crops and produce. 

Hopefully our new King will find it hard to remain neutral on this.

Sums its all up perfectly.

Ive already watched what little greenbelt and countryside we had left round me get decimated by stupid fuck off noddy villages.

I live a stones throw from the river wyre estuary. Against all local advice and knowledge they plonked a giant new housing estate on the flood plains next to it. Fucked the eco system and drainage system for the whole area. 

Geese used to migrate to those fields as they were under water most of the year, as well as fox burrows further in land. All got pulverised. This after planning was refused by 3 different committees but then passed by one overriding corrupt judge.

There are areas close that would be prime for development that are now no longer protected. There will be nothing left.

 

 

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Simple questions for you

Do you think the changes announced yesterday are good for the economy in any way ? 
 

Given the changes seem quite unpopular do you think a Labour Govt is more or less likely after yesterday ? 
 

From a moral point of view do you think the changes announced are 'fair' and the burden of getting us out of the mess we are in is being spread across the board ? 

Too complex.

His point of view is Right, good, Left, bad.

Anything else is a bit too nuanced.

[Not in Crawley]

10 hours ago, Sweep said:

I didn't think you would. 

Let's be honest, you don't give a fuck.

Pretty much sums the great gala up.

[Morizio]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Too complex.

His point of view is Right, good, Left, bad.

Anything else is a bit too nuanced.

Rigid thinking! Spectrum 🤔

[Spider]

Four legs good

Two legs bad

blue army blue army

 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

Simple questions for you

Do you think the changes announced yesterday are good for the economy in any way ? 
 

Given the changes seem quite unpopular do you think a Labour Govt is more or less likely after yesterday ? 
 

From a moral point of view do you think the changes announced are 'fair' and the burden of getting us out of the mess we are in is being spread across the board ? 

1. I will reserve judgement until I see what the results are.  Going off early might be commonplace for you. Not for me.

2. I will reserve judgement until I see what the results are.

3. Moral schmoral. If the gamble pays off, ultimately everyone will benefit.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Been in a similar place with it.

This current bunch now put us on a par with the likes of Bolsonaro and Trump on climate policy.

Absolutely astonishing what they've scrapped and given licences to in the past few weeks.

The likes of the RSPB have worked for decades to get some sort of protection for the fragile ecosystem we have left. What the Tories don't seem to have realised yet is that once that collapses then we can wave goodbye to many of our own crops and produce. 

Hopefully our new King will find it hard to remain neutral on this.

The irony is it's the antithesis of conservatism.

[Morizio]

I’ve not met many of the £150k PA who will benefit…

BBC headline says it will benefit 1% of the population. 

Trickle down economics despite what the lying cunts are coming out with. 

[Nowack]

To get in the top 0.1-1% you need to earn about 100k the average are on about 150k. The removal of the top rate has little impact on them, it's the top 0.1% that stand to benefit the most. 

[CambridgeBWFC]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

1. I will reserve judgement until I see what the results are.  Going off early might be commonplace for you. Not for me.

2. I will reserve judgement until I see what the results are.

3. Moral schmoral. If the gamble pays off, ultimately everyone will benefit.

Would you reserve judgement and wait to see the results if/when labour get in government?  

No, you will be screeching with the best of them that it will be the ruination of the country because it is simply red vs blue for you.

We can wait and see but you can also have an opinion right know whether you think this is great policy or not. 

Do you think it is wise for a government to be borrowing more money than ever before at much higher interest rates? 

Do you think it is wise for governments to remove planning regulations to allow the destruction of native wild life and ecosystems? 

Some of these wait an see could mean we are fucked for decades if not longer, some times you need to act right away.

[Spider]

We’re still waiting to see on Brexit.

So far it’s been a fucking calamity.

Do we get a timescale?

Also, a quick story for you in 2 pictures:

 

[Ani]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

1. I will reserve judgement until I see what the results are.  Going off early might be commonplace for you. Not for me.

2. I will reserve judgement until I see what the results are.

3. Moral schmoral. If the gamble pays off, ultimately everyone will benefit.

What a pathetic answer you sound like a politician . The whole point of opinions is that it represents what you think at a time. 
Stick to lapping up everything Nigel and GB News feed you. Clearly the ability to form your own opinions is currently beyond you. Pity as a range of views is what makes a discussion worth having. 

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

We’re still waiting to see on Brexit.

So far it’s been a fucking calamity.

Do we get a timescale?

Also, a quick story for you in 2 pictures:

 

Youre just jealous

[wiggy]

The fact today’s Daily Mail front page is celebrating yesterday’s mini budget tells you all you need to know.

[gonzo]

Wheres that vid of yon fella off his pickle at the queens funeral?

[gonzo]

11 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Been in a similar place with it.

This current bunch now put us on a par with the likes of Bolsonaro and Trump on climate policy.

Absolutely astonishing what they've scrapped and given licences to in the past few weeks.

The likes of the RSPB have worked for decades to get some sort of protection for the fragile ecosystem we have left. What the Tories don't seem to have realised yet is that once that collapses then we can wave goodbye to many of our own crops and produce. 

Hopefully our new King will find it hard to remain neutral on this.

This vid, apart from the wolves bit obvs, shows how precarious our ecosystem is.

 

 

[royal white]

29 minutes ago, gonzo said:

This vid, apart from the wolves bit obvs, shows how precarious our ecosystem is.

 

 

So basically Deers need fucking off 

[gonzo]

Yep fuck the deers off, stick a fracking site there

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Would you reserve judgement and wait to see the results if/when labour get in government?  No. Decades of experience have already shown me their highly predictable results. Their paymasters call the tune and there has never been an example throughout history of union control achieving anything but shambolic failure.

No, you will be screeching with the best of them that it will be the ruination of the country because it is simply red vs blue for you. No. I don't screech but I'll wager that you do. It is usually Whites v whoever we are playing for me.

We can wait and see but you can also have an opinion right know whether you think this is great policy or not. Can't argue. You can have an opinion on anything at any time as far as I am concerned. In fact. I encourage this. There are many on your left side of politics who would violently disagree with this. Y'know, the one's who try to shut down discussion with words like 'racist' or 'nazi' if they perceive some relative insignificance that may make them wet their pants again.

Do you think it is wise for a government to be borrowing more money than ever before at much higher interest rates? No but I do like a punt now and again and, despite your politically inspired reservations, this one just may work. Of course, Mr. Beige wants you to believe that it will crash and burn which it may.  We shall see in the fullness of time.

Do you think it is wise for governments to remove planning regulations to allow the destruction of native wild life and ecosystems? Is this London Wanderer in disguise? There's a whiff of cyanoacrylate adhesive.

Some of these wait an see could mean we are fucked for decades if not longer, some times you need to act right away. In your case, I agree. Please go and glue yourself to a train or hug a tree immediately.

 

[bolty58]

14 hours ago, Ani said:

What a pathetic answer you sound like a politician . The whole point of opinions is that it represents what you think at a time. 
Stick to lapping up everything Nigel and GB News feed you. Clearly the ability to form your own opinions is currently beyond you. Pity as a range of views is what makes a discussion worth having. 

Oh do fuck off Ani (go on, be enraged). You are just following the hoi polloi and not thinking for yourself.

Stay excited. The dust will settle soon son.

Then we can all get on with seeing if the new policies turn out to be good or even better.

[CambridgeBWFC]

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

The boogeyman of the left terrorising you again.

You say you don't screech, but you a very quick to label anyone who slightly challenges your views or the views of your 'team' as left and tell everyone all of the time how shit everyone else will be. Comes across a tad screechy!

You don't know me or my political leanings, but go ahead and jump to conclusions and put me in that box if it helps you to defend your position. 

Of course punts may work, some of these might and some might not, recent history tells me the policy decisions of this government has been poor so I don't hold out much hope. 

I just don't see how policy which helps a tiny proportion of the population far more than the rest, which will drive up interest rates further is in anyway going to help the situation we face this winter and longer term. Especially given the cost burden these measures will have on the country's finances.

I also believe policy which can have long term/irreversible impact on our country and the ecosystems which support it really should have more scrutiny. 

Anyway your position is set, there is no reasoning, you will never criticise the decisions of your blue leaders, so this is relatively pointless. 

I wont take you up on your suggestion though as I have glued myself to a train before! 

Fixing my hornby trains as a kid and got a little over zealous with the adhesive