Politics

[Cheese]

31 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I wonder if an honours proposal has to have supporting evidence- surely it can't just be because a mate or a relative wants to?

Anyway, Stanley is a huge environmentalist and maybe it's for that, I've no idea.

Or maybe it's because of his pro-eu beliefs..

Hahahahahaha

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

But why do we put up with shite just because it is eccentric? Is it our sense of humour maybe? Boris was funny when he was rugby tackling footballers or dangling off a crane but he should never have got to the top gig. That has been shown to be the case countless times.

Its pretty robust as a system; https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-honours-system-works#:~:text=The honours system covers the,operation of the honours system.

Its just, again, its one of those things that we don't know very much about as a genreal public (and again, why I'd like to see UK political Systems as something that is at least an hour a week in the circulum - it suits those in power that the majority know less then them about how the systems work) 

It's like when people were saying it should be Sir Nat Lofthouse - you can only 'upgrade' and honour if they have gone onto achieve more in the field they were orginally recongised for, or you get recognised for further charitable work.

Plus - he might have nominated his dad, but anyone in this country can nominate anyone they want to. Nominate away!

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Its pretty robust as a system; https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-honours-system-works#:~:text=The honours system covers the,operation of the honours system.

Its just, again, its one of those things that we don't know very much about as a genreal public (and again, why I'd like to see UK political Systems as something that is at least an hour a week in the circulum - it suits those in power that the majority know less then them about how the systems work) 

It's like when people were saying it should be Sir Nat Lofthouse - you can only 'upgrade' and honour if they have gone onto achieve more in the field they were orginally recongised for, or you get recognised for further charitable work.

Plus - he might have nominated his dad, but anyone in this country can nominate anyone they want to. Nominate away!

"Sir Not In Crawley" does have a certain ring to it 🙂

 

I've always thought the honours system to be a bit odd, especially as there seem to be hundreds and hundreds of them  given out every year, folk just doing their jobs....this generally aimed at celebrities, like Ant & Dec who I think have OBE's  -  whilst they're very good at what they do, and I do like them, I do find it strange that they get an honour from the monarch

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

29 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

He no longer has pro-EU beliefs apparently although he's conveniently got himself French citizenship.

Not that you can take a word of what he says as gospel, just like his son. He does like twatting women though according to Boris' mum.

 

He certainly does have pro eu beliefs.

Not too long back in the paper talking about his view on environmental laws and how he was instrumental in introducing them into the eu and his concerns that the uk could, once out, change standards.

Dunno about wife beating- an interview she gave with Tom Bower doesn't fill me with confidence. His commentary on folk is frequently acerbic at best and downright nasty at times. 

Likes the sound of his own voice, which makes her claims difficult to assess.

 

[Winchester White]

19 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Its pretty robust as a system; https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-the-honours-system-works#:~:text=The honours system covers the,operation of the honours system.

Its just, again, its one of those things that we don't know very much about as a genreal public (and again, why I'd like to see UK political Systems as something that is at least an hour a week in the circulum - it suits those in power that the majority know less then them about how the systems work) 

It's like when people were saying it should be Sir Nat Lofthouse - you can only 'upgrade' and honour if they have gone onto achieve more in the field they were orginally recongised for, or you get recognised for further charitable work.

Plus - he might have nominated his dad, but anyone in this country can nominate anyone they want to. Nominate away!

I was more responding about Johnson's eccentricity tbh but I take your point.

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

"Sir Not In Crawley" does have a certain ring to it 🙂

 

I've always thought the honours system to be a bit odd, especially as there seem to be hundreds and hundreds of them  given out every year, folk just doing their jobs....this generally aimed at celebrities, like Ant & Dec who I think have OBE's  -  whilst they're very good at what they do, and I do like them, I do find it strange that they get an honour from the monarch

 

I'm too mean spirited to get anything for charity, and I'm certainly not getting owt for services to the entertainment industry.

[tomski]

7 hours ago, Sweep said:

I don't personally know any of them, but it's easy to find out..... 

25,351 people in the "Uxbridge and South Ruislip" constituency

Is there any particular reason that you want to know who these people are? 

I work there. Let me ask about

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, tomski said:

I work there. Let me ask about

Be sure not to ask any of the wider population though.

Apparently not A SINGLE PERSON had an image of Boris licking ice cream off their helmet when putting a cross next to the conservative candidate.

 

[tomski]

15 minutes ago, Spider said:

Be sure not to ask any of the wider population though.

Apparently not A SINGLE PERSON had an image of Boris licking ice cream off their helmet when putting a cross next to the conservative candidate.

 

Haha. It’s a strange place where lots of people seem to navigate too but fuck knows why and what they do there before they leave again. 

[Spider]

I see Rishi is going nuclear on the dinghies.

Vote winner amongst the furious types who drink fosters on patio furniture, for sure.

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

I see Rishi is going nuclear on the dinghies.

Vote winner amongst the furious types who drink fosters on patio furniture, for sure.

He pissed them off last week over Brexit - got to throw them a bone this week.

[Not in Crawley]

This is both quite funny, and depressing - the 43 times the Conservatives have tried to sort out channel crossings;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/07/conservatives-channel-crossings-small-boats-tories-rwanda-deportation

[Spider]

Winston Churchill was central to the formation of the ECHR

But, fuck him.

[Not in Crawley]

29 minutes ago, Spider said:

Winston Churchill was central to the formation of the ECHR

But, fuck him.

Even offered a closer alliance to France.

He understood that Britain's power was based on trade and projection, that's how a small island became a world superpower.

I mean, bloody hell, even Thomas Cromwell knew that.

[Spider]

For the record, it's not a bad plan

But they know it will never work

So at best, they're just setting up a future campaign of "well we tried, but were blocked by the do gooders"

Clever, really.

[bolty58]

49 minutes ago, Spider said:

Winston Churchill was central to the formation of the ECHR

But, fuck him.

No, not fuck him. Applaud him for what he did over half a century ago for something which was good at the time. Like many things, past its use by date. You can't have a foreign entity dictating what happens in a sovereign nation. Fair enough if you want to be part of some federalised bungling mega bureaucracy but we don't/aren't.

Out of it a.s.a.p. is the wise move. Vexatious actions by foreign lawyers cannot be tolerated. Fuck it off, immediately solve the illegal boats issue (and unnecessary deaths in the English Channel) and then go full bore on the Rwanda solution.

Sure fire vote winner but, as we all know, Sunak won't have the minerals to do this. All pie in the sky hoping to con his 'red wall' voters into voting blue again. Won't work without the substance. Probably only Suella and Priti would have the balls to see this through based on what we have seen over the last few months.

[Sweep]

out of interest, I know you think the Tory party can do no wrong......why do you think they're not pushing for us to exit the ECHR?

[Winchester White]

What makes us so special that means we can avoid the international obligations that nearly every other country abides by?

[Not in Crawley]

He's good value for money these days, is old Bolts.

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

You can't have a foreign entity dictating what happens in a sovereign nation. 

What about a sovereign nation dictating what happens in a foreign entity?

[tomski]

What power have the government taken back other than the change of passport colour?

One of the key reasons I voted remain was the fact out government are a bit rubbish(I only think the snide aspect came from Boris on)

They’ve done nothing since to tell me my original opinion was wrong. 

Even the stuff I don’t agree with like the dinghy policies they can’t do. 

They are only good at increasing tax for things such as sugar and deposit return schemes and even in the latter they’ve fucked that up.
 

 

[Ani]

14 minutes ago, tomski said:

What power have the government taken back other than the change of passport colour?

One of the key reasons I voted remain was the fact out government are a bit rubbish(I only think the snide aspect came from Boris on)

They’ve done nothing since to tell me my original opinion was wrong. 

Even the stuff I don’t agree with like the dinghy policies they can’t do. 

They are only good at increasing tax for things such as sugar and deposit return schemes and even in the latter they’ve fucked that up.
 

 

The fact is we have loads of Asylum seekers sat in hotels round the country because the Govt are not processing the applications. This not a political view it is fact. 
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/asylum-backlog

The Govt as usual are chasing the headlines rather than tackling the problem. If we start processing the applicants properly and sending away those who do not qualify then people will be less likely to come. The ones we do accept can start to work constructively and earn that Pension 

[Spider]

Exactly

Why not process the claims faster? Costly initially but surely a money saver in the long term?

As for "France should do more" - why?

If Ireland was their destination, we'd be kicking them off the docks in Liverpool.

France aren't obliged to stop them coming here. Not anymore.

[MickyD]

11 minutes ago, Ani said:

The fact is we have loads of Asylum seekers sat in hotels round the country because the Govt are not processing the applications. This not a political view it is fact. 
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/asylum-backlog

The Govt as usual are chasing the headlines rather than tackling the problem. If we start processing the applicants properly and sending away those who do not qualify then people will be less likely to come. The ones we do accept can start to work constructively and earn that Pension 

And because of the government throwing silly money at problems hoping they go away, we now have once respectable hotels wanting in on the cash cow by offering their rooms to house asylum seekers. Old news but still relevant 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/22954579.mercure-bolton-georgian-house-earmarked-asylum-seekers/

[Winchester White]

Exactly. Also, France must look at us and compare the amount of asylum seekers they and the rest of Europe are dealing with and think we have lost the plot.