Spider Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It’s labours fault because Jews Quote
Casino Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 Have you got any stats on stealing tax payers money Def feels like thats on the up and nowt happens Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Casino said: Have you got any stats on stealing tax payers money Def feels like thats on the up and nowt happens Aye, everything is aimed at picking our pockets, the Tories are cunts and now Labour also getting in on the act in London with ULEZ, the whole point of politicans was supposed to be to help people, now it feels it is to fuck everybody over as hard as possible and feather their own nests. Edited July 30, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Cheese Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Aye, everything is aimed at picking our pockets, the Tories are cunts and now Labour also getting in on the act in London with ULEZ, the whole point of politicans was supposed to be to help people, now it feels it is to fuck everybody over as hard as possible and feather their own nests. Quote
mickbrown Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Aye, everything is aimed at picking our pockets, the Tories are cunts and now Labour also getting in on the act in London with ULEZ, the whole point of politicans was supposed to be to help people, now it feels it is to fuck everybody over as hard as possible and feather their own nests. 90% of cars in London are ULEZ compliant. Maybe the way forward is to offer a decent scrappage scheme for those that aren't. Edited July 30, 2023 by mickbrown Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, mickbrown said: 90% of cars in London are ULEZ compliant. Maybe the way forward is to offer a decent scrappage scheme for those that aren't. That would help. Doubt it’ll happen… new electric cars are silly money so those at lower end of the pay scale can’t afford the upgrade. Quote
mickbrown Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: That would help. Doubt it’ll happen… new electric cars are silly money so those at lower end of the pay scale can’t afford the upgrade. Doesn't have to be electric. You can buy a cheap as chips petrol car that is compliant. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, mickbrown said: Doesn't have to be electric. You can buy a cheap as chips petrol car that is compliant. 2k scrappage Doesn’t help if your trade in is an 11 year diesel car and you’re at the lower end of pay scale. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 It's been bad comms, pure and simple. It effects so few people (and especially those making the most noise about it) There has been zero communication to people in outer London and its allowed a lot of rubbish to be spread. That is on the mayor's office. I drive a 2012 Ford c-max (with obligatory roof top box) and my car is fine. We do need to tackle the air pollution, not just because of climate change but the fundamental reason is air pollution. Look at the stats since in came into force in central London. It will happen in most urban areas, and it should do. They way its being handled though is dreadful. Quote
Casino Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 Isnt ULEZ johnsons baby and didnt City Hall get loads of funding for TfL in return for its introduction, or have I made that up? Quote
London Wanderer Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: It's been bad comms, pure and simple. It effects so few people (and especially those making the most noise about it) There has been zero communication to people in outer London and its allowed a lot of rubbish to be spread. That is on the mayor's office. I drive a 2012 Ford c-max (with obligatory roof top box) and my car is fine. We do need to tackle the air pollution, not just because of climate change but the fundamental reason is air pollution. Look at the stats since in came into force in central London. It will happen in most urban areas, and it should do. They way its being handled though is dreadful. The fact that kids were getting respiratory illnesses, and in some instances even dying, doesn’t really fit Mount’s narrative that it’s just politicians fucking everybody over as hard as possible though? Quote
Ani Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: It's been bad comms, pure and simple. It effects so few people (and especially those making the most noise about it) There has been zero communication to people in outer London and its allowed a lot of rubbish to be spread. That is on the mayor's office. I drive a 2012 Ford c-max (with obligatory roof top box) and my car is fine. We do need to tackle the air pollution, not just because of climate change but the fundamental reason is air pollution. Look at the stats since in came into force in central London. It will happen in most urban areas, and it should do. They way its being handled though is dreadful. Genuine question - if it really affects only such a small % of cars how is it going to make such a difference ? What concerns me about the idea is the spread to other cities. London has a public transport system that is a million times better than say Leeds, take away cars there is no real alternative. Leeds airport for instance has no train or tram links. Concerns is probably wrong word ! Edited July 30, 2023 by Ani Quote
DirtySanchez Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Casino said: Isnt ULEZ johnsons baby and didnt City Hall get loads of funding for TfL in return for its introduction, or have I made that up? Yep Same way as Boris Bikes were actually Ken Livingstone's idea Quote
London Wanderer Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Ani said: Genuine question - if it really affects only such a small % of cars how is it going to make such a difference ? What concerns me about the idea is the spread to other cities. London has a public transport system that is a million times better than say Leeds, take away cars there is no real alternative. Leeds airport for instance has no train or tram links. Concerns is probably wrong word ! Makes a significant difference, so it seems https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-transformational-impact-expanded-ultra-low-emission-zone-so-far#:~:text=Today's landmark report shows that,have been without the scheme. But I’m with you that it’s a concern in places with shite public transport. Glasgow’s low emission zone has just come in and put a fair few cabbies out of business who couldn’t afford the conversion. A month later the bus companies announced they were scrapping night buses and many train lines stop by 11. Less cabbies and public transport has been awful for city centre businesses on the back of Covid and cost of living crisis. These things are being very poorly managed. Though I’m of the frame of mind that some things that need to happen for public health benefits or to reduce emissions, will require a bit of time to adapt to. Like Brexit 😉 Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: The fact that kids were getting respiratory illnesses, and in some instances even dying, doesn’t really fit Mount’s narrative that it’s just politicians fucking everybody over as hard as possible though? If politicians want to implement these clean air zones then they have to provide top quality public transport and allow folk the time to comply with the legislation and more help to bridge the gap financially. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, DirtySanchez said: Yep Same way as Boris Bikes were actually Ken Livingstone's idea Yup, but it doesn't play onthe doorstep Quote
Not in Crawley Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If politicians want to implement these clean air zones then they have to provide top quality public transport and allow folk the time to comply with the legislation and more help to bridge the gap financially. It effects so few people, hence my comms comment. And those it does, there is a generous package. The myth that it's effecting harding working white van drivers is, well a myth. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted July 30, 2023 Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, London Wanderer said: The fact that kids were getting respiratory illnesses, and in some instances even dying, doesn’t really fit Mount’s narrative that it’s just politicians fucking everybody over as hard as possible though? They have made a mess of this though. Quote
Farrelli Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 The government has a policy to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2030. All vehicles must be zero emission by 2035. To meet these targets will require emission zones in all UK cities in a short timeframe. Unless these targets were just bollocks as per usual. Quote
Spider Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Boris was too busy building hospitals to worry about bicycles anyway Quote
Farrelli Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Just now, Farrelli said: The government has a policy to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2030. All vehicles must be zero emission by 2035. To meet these targets will require emission zones in all UK cities in a short timeframe. Unless these targets were just bollocks as per usual. What I mean is that emission zones will be a key part of meeting the governments own zero emission strategy. Quote
Sweep Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, Farrelli said: The government has a policy to end the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles by 2030. All vehicles must be zero emission by 2035. To meet these targets will require emission zones in all UK cities in a short timeframe. Unless these targets were just bollocks as per usual. Both this days will be pushed back at least give years within the next 12 months. They're totally unachievable Quote
London Wanderer Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: If politicians want to implement these clean air zones then they have to provide top quality public transport and allow folk the time to comply with the legislation and more help to bridge the gap financially. Absolutely, but that’s not really in line with your initial narrative. Air pollution is a killer, scientists & doctors have been campaigning for changes for years. You were delighted that we left the EU knowing it would take time to reap all the benefits, and there would be bumps in the road along the way. Why not the same with climate change policies? (Granted ULEZ is more about air quality). Quote
Spider Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 I visit london a few times a year for work. The air quality is noticeably awful. Like any big city in fairness. They wear masks in Tokyo. But you’d probably get stabbed by a mentalist anti-vaxxer if you did that here. Quote
gonzo Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Bring in ULEZ to combat 23 year old transit vans boshing out 4 star diesel emissions but in the same breath plan to expand north sea oil drilling. Be banning CFS's next. Quote
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