Politics

[Mounts Kipper]

40 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Sulking? What are you on about? There are genuine concerns that haven't been addressed. 

You can’t address these concerns when you have a federal block who are so paranoid that every little issue takes years to solve, best to leave them to it, make our own way and make our own rules.  Nothing would ever make me vote to return. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Really? I believe most people on this thread are saying the same thing in different ways - when will Brexit actually show itself to be a good idea?

Anyway - be back but got to go and watch the one show - got my show on it with hopefully a lovely clip of the trailer we produced. Tune in!

I’m sure It’s been posted (or something similar) many times before, and it’s in the Guardian so it must be true. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/jul/24/two-50-or-100-years-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off

Edited May 15, 2024 by royal white

[Winchester White]

We are in a globalist economy so leaving the largest trading block was utter lunacy, even Daniel Hannan said we should remain in the single market.

Things are shaping different now; a war in Europe, China seriously shifting it's stance not in a good way, India massively expanding, Russian influence in Africa and obviously the fallout of COVID on modern democracies, especially the cost of it.

None of them have been made better by Brexit. Every trade deal we have made since has been rollovers of EU deals or poor ones like with AUS and NZ.  India doesn't want a deal, they are rapidly overtaking us, the US doesn't either.

So how does an ex colonial power now on its own expect to get a great trade deal? Anyone, please answer me that.

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

We are in a globalist economy so leaving the largest trading block was utter lunacy, even Daniel Hannan said we should remain in the single market.

Things are shaping different now; a war in Europe, China seriously shifting it's stance not in a good way, India massively expanding, Russian influence in Africa and obviously the fallout of COVID on modern democracies, especially the cost of it.

None of them have been made better by Brexit. Every trade deal we have made since has been rollovers of EU deals or poor ones like with AUS and NZ.  India doesn't want a deal, they are rapidly overtaking us, the US doesn't either.

So how does an ex colonial power now on its own expect to get a great trade deal? Anyone, please answer me that.

Reggae Reggae Sauce

[gonzo]

47 minutes ago, royal white said:

Gonzo said that actual life has not improved for anyone since Brexit. That’s totally false. 

Nothing like being deliberately obtuse and choosing to take everything in a litteral sense.

Good lord above.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Nothing like being deliberately obtuse and choosing to take everything in a litteral sense.

Good lord above.

Make stupid points get stupid replies. Kind of how it works on here 

Edited May 15, 2024 by royal white

[BobyBrno]

43 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You can’t address these concerns when you have a federal block who are so paranoid that every little issue takes years to solve, best to leave them to it, make our own way and make our own rules.  Nothing would ever make me vote to return. 

Like the Migration Pact. After 8 years, finally ratified yesterday. Some want to go further. Rwanda anyone? I like Europe.😊

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/member-states-push-to-outsource-migration-procedures-to-non-eu-countries/

[gonzo]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Make stupid points get stupid replies. Kind of how it works on here 

Still waiting on how brexit has made anyone's lives better...just one instance or example will do?

[royal white]

24 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Still waiting on how brexit has made anyone's lives better...just one instance or example will do?

You’ve got 40 years to wait petal. Dont you read the Guardian? Our kids will flourish

Edited May 15, 2024 by royal white

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Still waiting on how brexit has made anyone's lives better...just one instance or example will do?

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Barring any technological breakthrough, I'd think nuclear energy is probably the most likely long-term solution

It is 100%

[gonzo]

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve got 40 years to wait petal. Dont you read the Guardian? Our kids will flourish

You could just give me one if you can think of any?

Just one will do. 

[Sweep]

50 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Reggae Reggae Sauce

And TVRs

[royal white]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

You could just give me one if you can think of any?

Just one will do. 

I’ll get my crystal ball later and tell you what they are. 

[gonzo]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ll get my crystal ball later and tell you what they are. 

So there's none currently? 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

So there's none currently? 

Like I said before for me personally I can’t think of any. I’m pretty sure many would have benefited. Point to note Brexit, again as mentioned before, has had no affect on me.

[Casino]

Of course it has

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So there's none currently? 

I don't know why they don't point you to the 100 page white paper the government published to outline all the brexit benefits.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-benefits-of-brexit

 

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Like I said before for me personally I can’t think of any. I’m pretty sure many would have benefited. Point to note Brexit, again as mentioned before, has had no affect on me.

Is that right though? I think we're all at least a little worse off than we would have been. Purely down to the inflationary effect Brexit has had on goods and services. We might not feel it. But that's because we've nothing to compare it to.

Not saying times would have been easy without Brexit - but I don't think they'd have been quite as hard as they currently are. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Is that right though? I think we're all at least a little worse off than we would have been. Purely down to the inflationary effect Brexit has had on goods and services. We might not feel it. But that's because we've nothing to compare it to.

Not saying times would have been easy without Brexit - but I don't think they'd have been quite as hard as they currently are. 

If the rest of Europe, and pretty much the world weren’t having a shit time I would be in agreement. However they are and they’re definitely not blaming Brexit. 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, kent_white said:

Is that right though? I think we're all at least a little worse off than we would have been. Purely down to the inflationary effect Brexit has had on goods and services. We might not feel it. But that's because we've nothing to compare it to.

Not saying times would have been easy without Brexit - but I don't think they'd have been quite as hard as they currently are. 

Inflation was caused mainly by the war and the subsequent fuel costs hikes and increasing freight costs, products made in the EU have been waved through customs until recently, and had no bearing on inflation. The more we can make and produce here in the UK the better. 

[DazBob]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

If the rest of Europe, and pretty much the world weren’t having a shit time I would be in agreement. However they are and they’re definitely not blaming Brexit. 

They might be having a shit time, but Brexit plays no part in that. The same can't be said of us.

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

If the rest of Europe, and pretty much the world weren’t having a shit time I would be in agreement. However they are and they’re definitely not blaming Brexit. 

No I agree the rest of the world is having a difficult time. I just think Brexit has made it even harder than it otherwise would have been. 

Plus, no Brexit, no Liz Truss, no my mortgage going up £600 a month. 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

No I agree the rest of the world is having a difficult time. I just think Brexit has made it even harder than it otherwise would have been. 

Plus, no Brexit, no Liz Truss, no my mortgage going up £600 a month. 

I wonder why interest rates gone up all over the world… is that liz truss/Brexit  fault? 

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Inflation was caused mainly by the war and the subsequent fuel costs hikes and increasing freight costs, products made in the EU have been waved through customs until recently, and had no bearing on inflation. The more we can make and produce here in the UK the better. 

I'm not sure that I agree that Brexit hasn't been an inflationary pressure. Even if it's not been the main one. 

 

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I wonder why interest rates gone up all over the world… is that liz truss/Brexit  fault? 

No offence course not. But pretending that it's just had a neutral effect strikes me as a bit of an odd position to take. Do you think that Brexit has had no effect on inflation?