birch-chorley Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 The Argies are woeful They only just scrapped into the WC, in all honesty they’d have been better served staying at home. Wealth of attacking options but the rest of the team is weak
jules_darby Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 The Argies are woeful They only just scrapped into the WC, in all honesty they’d have been better served staying at home. Wealth of attacking options but the rest of the team is weak Oh I’m not saying they’re great Just think it’s too soon to write any of the big teams off
Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Very early days yet Spain looked good and would’ve beaten most the other night The Germans are bound to bounce back The Argies played possibly the most resilient team I suppose that the best case for the outsiders is possibly that if those teams do stay off best form, there’s no Dutch or Italians as back up Problem is, if we have a cracker tomorrow night, the we’re gonna win it hype will start now Spain were great in possession obviously, but I felt their best was when they were losing. A bit quicker and more direct (not long stuff but a bit quicker to take someone on or move it forward). Be interesting to see if the rumours of barca players being unhappy with the guy who got sacked etc have any foundation. They looked pretty "united" but who knows. If they keep together and keep playing some of that great football then it's hard to see beyond them.
Casino Posted June 17, 2018 Posted June 17, 2018 Traditionally Italy and Germany have been shite and peaked Just in time Anybody coming to any conclusions at this stage is a loon
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Author Posted June 18, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44515740 cringe
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Author Posted June 18, 2018 Agree that Spain looked good and should have won really. Still feel it's theirs or Germany's to lose. Ze Germans need a result now though and the Swedes wont be a push over but you'd still fancy them.
Winchester White Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 I had a heavy weekend and really need a week off the booze. Watching England in the world cup without a beer wouldn't be right though would it?
enzo gambaro Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44515740 cringe What the fuck?
madthatter Posted June 18, 2018 Author Posted June 18, 2018 What the fuck? I'm guessing it's aimed at kids but it's an abomination
Salford Trotter Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) https://www.vg.no/spesial/2018/world-cup-look-a-like/?lang=en Find your world cup twin Edited June 23, 2018 by Salford Trotter
Traf Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 https://www.vg.no/spesial/2018/world-cup-look-a-like/?lang=en Find your world cup twin Danny Vukovic apparently
Zico Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 If poland and Colombia draw tonight could be a mad final couple of games in that group
madthatter Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) I found Ferdinand's comments about the split England camp in previous world cups/tournaments quite interesting and the tactics from some of the managers - seems Hoddle was a popular fella. Also seems all the rumours of cliques were true and possibly more detrimental to performance than one may have thought. It's what I'm liking about this current England set up - you sense there's a togetherness (we'll see how robust it is soon) and no cliques, apparently, or 'superstars'. GS has to take a lot of credit for that as does the FA for implementing and carrying through a cohesive style that has been worked from the lower levels through to the first team. Was the target success in 2002? You'd think this squad has another two cracks at a world cup. Future looks good Edited June 25, 2018 by madthatter
Guest Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I found Ferdinand's comments about the split England camp in previous world cups/tournaments quite interesting and the tactics from some of the managers - seems Hoddle was a popular fella. Also seems all the rumours of cliques were true and possibly more detrimental to performance than one may have thought. It's what I'm liking about this current England set up - you sense there's a togetherness (we'll see how robust it is soon) and no cliques, apparently, or 'superstars'. GS has to take a lot of credit for that as does the FA for implementing and carrying through a cohesive style that has been worked from the lower levels through to the first team. Was the target success in 2002? You'd think this squad has another two cracks at a world cup. Future looks good Overpaid, overpampered and overrated goons like Ferdinand are precisely why I got fed up with England. The very epitome of the "golden generation" who couldn't really be arsed when it came to it. Instead of moaning about managers and the fact not everyone got on and looking for excuses they should have got their heads together and sorted it out.
barrycowdrill Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) Overpaid, overpampered and overrated goons like Ferdinand are precisely why I got fed up with England. The very epitome of the "golden generation" who couldn't really be arsed when it came to it. Instead of moaning about managers and the fact not everyone got on and looking for excuses they should have got their heads together and sorted it out. He loved Hoddle and the way he was being coached under him as did many Sven then came in and told him " my CB's dont carry the ball out from the back" Ferdinand said it broke his heart but he wanted to play for his country more than anything so kept his mouth shut and did what was asked of him. A football style that didnt suit him or many others then Capello came in and was even worse. our Golden Generation were shoe horned in to a formation that didnt work for them over 6-7 years. Yes the players should never have let cliques etc that materialised happen but the majority of their failings should be levelled at the Managers they had Edited June 25, 2018 by barrycowdrill
Guest Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 He loved Hoddle and the way he was being coached under him as did many Sven then came in and told him " my CB's dont carry the ball out from the back" Ferdinand said it broke his heart but he wanted to play for his country more than anything so kept his mouth shut and did what was asked of him. A football style that didnt suit him or many others then Capello came in and was even worse. our Golden Generation were shoe horned in to a formation that didnt work for them over 6-7 years. Yes the players should never have let cliques etc that materialised happen but the majority of their failings should be levelled at the Managers they had Of course he's going to say that. It was the "excuse, not my fault guvnor" generation of English footballing talent. Truth is our golden generation weren't that good, and never applied themselves. They were given some of the top European managers to work with. Yet still didn't like it. I don't buy the argument that it would all have been gravy under Hoddle either. There would just have been a different excuse. "Hoddle gave us too much freedom, not enough structure".
Zico Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 that article about Hoddle from a couple of weeks back suggested that half of them thought he was a right cunt with the way he man managed them
barrycowdrill Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Of course he's going to say that. It was the "excuse, not my fault guvnor" generation of English footballing talent. Truth is our golden generation weren't that good, and never applied themselves. They were given some of the top European managers to work with. Yet still didn't like it. I don't buy the argument that it would all have been gravy under Hoddle either. There would just have been a different excuse. "Hoddle gave us too much freedom, not enough structure". oh yes of course, managers dont determine style of play do they... i hope your not going to taint Southgate with any degree of praise if this current crop do the unthinkable
barrycowdrill Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 that article about Hoddle from a couple of weeks back suggested that half of them thought he was a right cunt with the way he man managed them Yes man management was poor but from a coaching perspective he was top drawer, the guys just a fucking loon Venables, the opposite
madthatter Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Of course he's going to say that. It was the "excuse, not my fault guvnor" generation of English footballing talent. Truth is our golden generation weren't that good, and never applied themselves. They were given some of the top European managers to work with. Yet still didn't like it. I don't buy the argument that it would all have been gravy under Hoddle either. There would just have been a different excuse. "Hoddle gave us too much freedom, not enough structure". Often wonder how a nation like Italy or Germany would have fared under Sven or Capello - not having that they were poor managers but maybe their lack of flexibility didn't suit the groups they worked with? fwiw I reckon Hoddle would have had success given more time What is for certain is that generation under-performed and should have won a major tournament. Most likely a combination of all mentioned above
madthatter Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 that article about Hoddle from a couple of weeks back suggested that half of them thought he was a right cunt with the way he man managed them Was it Ferdinand that said some of the players were a bit in awe of him as he was better technically than some of the squad? If that is the case then Jesus wept . . . the massive fannies
barrycowdrill Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Was it Ferdinand that said some of the players were a bit in awe of him as he was better technically than some of the squad? If that is the case then Jesus wept . . . the massive fannies Yes he was basically still one of the best in training. However, it was almost like he enjoyed that. Also, some of the rules he implemented leads to me think as Sheringham said, he was a massive Cnut on a personal level. He did have the makings of a very good side with Owen, Beckham, Scholes etc just breaking in to the team.
Zico Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Was it Ferdinand that said some of the players were a bit in awe of him as he was better technically than some of the squad? If that is the case then Jesus wept . . . the massive fannies Sheringham has a slightly different take on it: “Glenn had an air about him that he was too good for us and we didn’t match up to his standards,” Sheringham said in 2010. “I didn’t rate him as a manager. The way he spoke to us players wasn’t the right way to do it as far as a lot of us were concerned. I don’t think any player lived up to his expectations.” ‘When I was a 14-year-old, playing for Tottenham Schoolboys, I used to get to those first team games early so that I could watch Hoddle warm up. He was so graceful. The ball would come over and he would catch it on his back, knock it up and volley it back to where it came from. Everything he did was so classy, I couldn’t wait to watch him play. Then when I met him man to man, it was “Oh my God, what a cunt’. I can’t believe this.” ‘As a man though, what a disappointment,’ Sheringham says, shaking his head at Hoddle’s titanic self-regard, and admitting that now he tells people his favourite player as a youth was Kenny Dalglish, not Hoddle. ‘Such arrogance, and what a show-off.’ He then embarks on a story to back up his claim, recalling a training session on the morning of England’s game against Argentina in the 1998 World Cup in which Hoddle was explaining a set-piece routine he wanted David Beckham and Paul Scholes to try. ‘Hoddle said “Right, from the free kicks I want Becks to roll it to Scholesy, who flicks it up for Becks to volley it over the defensive wall”….Becks rolled it back to Scholesy who went to flick it up and the ball went over the side of his foot because he wasn’t focused. There was a bit of banter, with the lads going, “Whoops Scholesy, fucking hell, what a rick.” Hoddle said, “Now come on, concentrate on this. We’re going to do this properly.” So the two lads went to do it again and it went wrong again. Hoddle picked up the ball and said, “You’re obviously not good enough to do that one. We’ll have to leave it out.” ‘All the lads thought, “We’re playing Argentina today and he’s just said that two of our key players aren’t good enough. Fucking hell, what a prick.” His attitude was “I could’ve done that, easy. I’d have dipped it into the top corner.” He didn’t risk showing us, though.’
madthatter Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Sheringham has a slightly different take on it: “Glenn had an air about him that he was too good for us and we didn’t match up to his standards,” Sheringham said in 2010. “I didn’t rate him as a manager. The way he spoke to us players wasn’t the right way to do it as far as a lot of us were concerned. I don’t think any player lived up to his expectations.” ‘When I was a 14-year-old, playing for Tottenham Schoolboys, I used to get to those first team games early so that I could watch Hoddle warm up. He was so graceful. The ball would come over and he would catch it on his back, knock it up and volley it back to where it came from. Everything he did was so classy, I couldn’t wait to watch him play. Then when I met him man to man, it was “Oh my God, what a cunt’. I can’t believe this.” ‘As a man though, what a disappointment,’ Sheringham says, shaking his head at Hoddle’s titanic self-regard, and admitting that now he tells people his favourite player as a youth was Kenny Dalglish, not Hoddle. ‘Such arrogance, and what a show-off.’ He then embarks on a story to back up his claim, recalling a training session on the morning of England’s game against Argentina in the 1998 World Cup in which Hoddle was explaining a set-piece routine he wanted David Beckham and Paul Scholes to try. ‘Hoddle said “Right, from the free kicks I want Becks to roll it to Scholesy, who flicks it up for Becks to volley it over the defensive wall”….Becks rolled it back to Scholesy who went to flick it up and the ball went over the side of his foot because he wasn’t focused. There was a bit of banter, with the lads going, “Whoops Scholesy, fucking hell, what a rick.” Hoddle said, “Now come on, concentrate on this. We’re going to do this properly.” So the two lads went to do it again and it went wrong again. Hoddle picked up the ball and said, “You’re obviously not good enough to do that one. We’ll have to leave it out.” ‘All the lads thought, “We’re playing Argentina today and he’s just said that two of our key players aren’t good enough. Fucking hell, what a prick.” His attitude was “I could’ve done that, easy. I’d have dipped it into the top corner.” He didn’t risk showing us, though.’ If that's the case then blimey, that's hardly motivational is it?
Guest Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 oh yes of course, managers dont determine style of play do they... i hope your not going to taint Southgate with any degree of praise if this current crop do the unthinkable They had top managers. They didn't perform. Seemingly because grown men couldn't put club rivalries aside (Ferdinand's own admission). Its a perfect excuse "Glenn was great but the others after him shocking". Older players blame Hoddle, and so on. Fact is Rio, you the players were the problem. Too many egos, not enough real talent and a lack of application. Greece won the Euros through sheer effort and organisation England failed not because their manager's weren't flexible enough but because the players never, ever, once applied themselves properly. In 1990 Bobby Robson got the senior players together to discuss the system after a poor opening. Seemingly no manager could do that with Rio's lot as the players didn't get on....aww poor little lambs.
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