Coronavirus

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Where are the biggies coming from? 

Schools and Unis isn’t it? 40%

[jules_darby]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Where are the biggies coming from? 

Bolton 

Thats why you lot can’t go the boozer 😛

[peelyfeet]

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Where are the biggies coming from? 

Homes is by far the biggest. The % stats are excluding homes.

The figures are apparently a bit dubious because the tracking and tracing has been miles more succesfull in places where you know the contacts well. So in home, schools,  work, hospitals care homes, its miles easier to track everyone. Not as easy in a pub, or restaurant because some places weren't doing it, some gave fake details, etc. 

 

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, Ani said:

71 deaths.

Not good at all

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Not good at all

Looks like a paperwork catch up from the weekend

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

No wet frites here, sorry Peely got my brolly up - I said that the logic was flawed remember. Just as Spider’s was to say that the new measures were “proven” to be working.

That said, “Other” deaths being up by a greater amount, irrespective of the infection date for those marked covid, must be a cause for investigation or at least concern....if this is all about winning and not being right of course

Its a pain in the arse to get your head round how the lags in the stages of the illness occur and the reporting of it because the reporting parameters keep on changing, but basically it goes like this.

Day 1 infection

Day 2 -5 most get symptoms (30% don't get any)

Day 3- 7 most symptomatic get a test.

Day 4-8 most positive symptomatic get test result

Day 10 - 14 most recovered or hospitalised

Day 14 - 22 most die or released from hospital.

The reporting of these can be several days behind, and there's outliers who take weeks to get symptoms and months to die/recover.

So you need to wait almost a month to see policy changes take effect in reported death numbers, and by the time you get to review them, something else has changed in the meanwhile, and everyone is onto the latest headline in the news.

 

But yeah, other deaths up, is shite snd no doubt a consequence of this load of wank.

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by peelyfeet

[peelyfeet]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Looks like a paperwork catch up from the weekend

Yep, just as Sunday and Monday is shite for reporting,  Tuesday is weekend catch up.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Homes is by far the biggest. The % stats are excluding homes.

The figures are apparently a bit dubious because the tracking and tracing has been miles more succesfull in places where you know the contacts well. So in home, schools,  work, hospitals care homes, its miles easier to track everyone. Not as easy in a pub, or restaurant because some places weren't doing it, some gave fake details, etc. 

 

The fake details is shocking. Heard that a while back- can't understand why anyone would do it.

I'm intrigued as to how these percentages are allocated. Given the suggestion was that the bottom bull/non-conforming holiday maker were behind our initial spike, any subsequent infections from those there will be in other locations. However, if the initial cause hadn't happened (folk following rules?) then the subsequent ones don't happen.

Perhaps its seen as being alcohol fuelled socialising that sparks off the spikes initially and then the rest follow- peely?

[kent_white]

32 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Homes is by far the biggest. The % stats are excluding homes.

The figures are apparently a bit dubious because the tracking and tracing has been miles more succesfull in places where you know the contacts well. So in home, schools,  work, hospitals care homes, its miles easier to track everyone. Not as easy in a pub, or restaurant because some places weren't doing it, some gave fake details, etc. 

 

To be expected I suppose. There's miles more people in schools/work/hospitals and homes than there are down the boozer.

[peelyfeet]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The fake details is shocking. Heard that a while back- can't understand why anyone would do it.

I'm intrigued as to how these percentages are allocated. Given the suggestion was that the bottom bull/non-conforming holiday maker were behind our initial spike, any subsequent infections from those there will be in other locations. However, if the initial cause hadn't happened (folk following rules?) then the subsequent ones don't happen.

Perhaps its seen as being alcohol fuelled socialising that sparks off the spikes initially and then the rest follow- peely?

Its this, if you read the detail, you can see why its not great data so far.

 

[peelyfeet]

But looks a lot nicer and convincing when its like this 

 

[peelyfeet]

But if you read this, then it looks different. I dont think theres enough data to measure it well at all to be honest.

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by peelyfeet

[kent_white]

17 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

But looks a lot nicer and convincing when its like this 

 

See to me that just says that the restrictions are working

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

See to me that just says that the restrictions are working

In which case, we can't open up pubs and restaurants until we hae a vaccine?

[Spider]

13 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

In which case, we can't open up pubs and restaurants until we hae a vaccine?

To keep it suppressed, that’s correct.

 

[Ani]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Not good at all

But hospital admissions are down. These are Tuesday numbers so the weekend catch up seems to inflate then. Although still worrying. 

[Zico]

17 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

In which case, we can't open up pubs and restaurants until we hae a vaccine?

I'd be hoping it's more "we'll reopen, and if you don't play by the rules and we see spikes again, it's your own fault and we'll shut down again"

[peelyfeet]

30 minutes ago, kent_white said:

See to me that just says that the restrictions are working

There's a load of data missing that I'd want to see before creating that graphic, like how many of the weekly cases have been transmitted in an unknown venue. The data only covers 721 incidents in a week, so where's all the other several  thousand cases been transmitted? If "unknown" is tens of thousands for example, then all the other % are miniscule. I bet the app will provide better data.

Edited September 29, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Escobarp]

Lovely socially distanced tea time pints,3 of as 2 just wasnt enough. @Sweep how were your evening beverages post dog walk?

[Casino]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

Fuck that, keep them shut until the end of October

Ive no desire to go in a pub, but seeing as theres 25 places, so im told, with worse figures than when boltons pubs were closed, id like to hear the justification

Its bollocks

[peelyfeet]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Ive no desire to go in a pub, but seeing as theres 25 places, so im told, with worse figures than when boltons pubs were closed, id like to hear the justification

Its bollocks

We're 8th now. 

 

[victor meldrew]

how many people have died of flu this week?

how many people have committed suicide this week

how many people have died from cancer this week

how many people have died in road accidents

how many people have gone insane reading leigh white's posts this week?

[ErnestTurnip]

Know of a driving instructor in Bolton who has contacted their clients to let them know they are positive, whether they've passed it to clients or a client passed it to them we will never know.

Know that unis are pissing in the wind but trying their best, they've locked down halls in Manchester for example but there were plenty who visited those halls the first few weekends but would never get track and traced. Also know some places in Manny seem to just be letting people in with no checking at all, under agers who are using real (but not their ID) not even getting checked.

Also know I never wore a mask when I went to the 'luminations on Saturday while walking down from Bispham on the lights side and it was outside and socially distanced but coming back up on the other side for a spell was fucking ridiculous. No distancing and big throngs of people with no masks on, walked in the road and put mine on while getting through that bit after not bothering at first so I'm as bad as them really.

Why the fuck we went to lights yet again is even more mind boggling than the whole Covid thing.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, victor meldrew said:

how many people have died of flu this week?

how many people have committed suicide this week

how many people have died from cancer this week

how many people have died in road accidents

how many people have gone insane reading leigh white's posts this week?

Not relevant

Not relevant

Not relevant

Not relevant

I enjoy the randomness

[Casino]

11 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

We're 8th now. 

 

sorry, not what im saying

we got locked down at whatever number of infections

theres plenty more now over that number