Coronavirus

[ZiggyStardust]

25 minutes ago, Casino said:

Back to covid

When bozo said last week that people should go back to work if they can, does that mean  the earlier go to work only of you can't do it at home has been chucked in the bin

Genuine question, btw

 

The Official advice is still to work from home where you can.

Further unofficial advice is to return to work where it safe.

What to do where it is both safe at work, but you are also able to work from home is unknown.

And more to the point, in the above case, can your employer insist you return to the office,where you are currently working from home, if you feel unsafe ? (or claim to ......).

 

 

[Roger_Dubuis]

32 minutes ago, stevieb said:

He wants people in offices to boost the trade and economy of those reliant on commuters. 

Went into the office yesterday in Central manc and popped out on dinner. It was dead compared to a usual lunch. Loads of Shops still shut on King Street and the sainsburys local on cross street still 'temporarily closed'. 

Employers aren't rushing their staff back. 

I can't see Manchester getting the numbers back until next year.Huge numbers of workers will be scared to use the commuter trains and buses until the expected winter spike is over

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

I can't see Manchester getting the numbers back until next year.Huge numbers of workers will be scared to use the commuter trains and buses until the expected winter spike is over

I agree,  no major towns or cities are going to back in large numbers this side of New Year I wouldn't have thought. I dread to think what might happen if a second wave does come, we might end up still WFH this time next year

[Zico]

30 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

The Official advice is still to work from home where you can.

Further unofficial advice is to return to work where it safe.

What to do where it is both safe at work, but you are also able to work from home is unknown.

And more to the point, in the above case, can your employer insist you return to the office,where you are currently working from home, if you feel unsafe ? (or claim to ......).

 

 

on the basis of the first two points, would you not go with the official advice and work from home?

how is something unofficial anyway?

[stevieb]

My official advice is work from home until the wife and kids are pissing you right off then have a day in the office then repeat. 

[Casino]

14 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

on the basis of the first two points, would you not go with the official advice and work from home?

how is something unofficial anyway?

When bozo waffles

[birch-chorley]

1 hour ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

I can't see Manchester getting the numbers back until next year.Huge numbers of workers will be scared to use the commuter trains and buses until the expected winter spike is over

 

45 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I agree,  no major towns or cities are going to back in large numbers this side of New Year I wouldn't have thought. I dread to think what might happen if a second wave does come, we might end up still WFH this time next year

I think this goes beyond Covid-19, the new normal for many office jobs will be work from home as the default and come in if needed 

My Mrs works in Manchester City Centre for a major employer and they have gone this way long term, plenty of others have as well 

To be fair, it makes sense, the commute into Manchester City centre basically became unbearable for most, 2 hours each way = 20 hours a week commuting to sit at a desk for 36 hours a week! How inefficient is that, they wonder why UK productivity is shite! That’s before you even consider the cost to the employee, working from home 3 days a week is a solid pay rise for many 

Long term you’d have to worry if your a City Centre business relying on office workers to make ends meat. Should also have a negative impact on inner city property prices, why pay £500k for a shoe box apartment when you can get a 4 / 5 bed out of town for the same money. Estate Agents are already reporting huge increases in demand for properties further away from the big cities given employees are looking at 2/3 days a week in the office with the rest from home 

Big changes afoot, it’s a much smarter way or working, hopefully reduce the congestion on roads / public transport as well for when you do need to get into town (appreciate roads are still bad but no fucker is on the train as things stand) 

 

[Zico]

9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

 

To be fair, it makes sense, the commute into Manchester City centre basically became unbearable for most, 2 hours each way = 20 hours a week commuting to sit at a desk for 36 hours a week! How inefficient is that, they wonder why UK productivity is shite! That’s before you even consider the cost to the employee, working from home 3 days a week is a solid pay rise for many 

 

kin ell

where do "most" live? 

lots will have a shit commute, but lots also live and work in the city centre

but still

a 2 hour commute?

fuck that

[Casino]

I have a fair drive to work

Its about 40 minutes

Often think its too much but then its door to door, free parking next to my office

Its probably not that bad

 

[radcliffe white]

When I take the car my commute is about 3 hours a week

[Casino]

Just now, radcliffewhite1 said:

When I take the car my commute is about 3 hours a week

What if you dont take the car

If i used public transport to a job, say in farnworth, id be looking at over an hour, i reckon

[birch-chorley]

7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

kin ell

where do "most" live? 

lots will have a shit commute, but lots also live and work in the city centre

but still

a 2 hour commute?

fuck that

That’s been a regular occurrence for those commuting from Chorley for about 2 years pre Covid-19

that rail line was a complete joke, not sure how’s its fared in Lockdown 

To be fair, thinking about it the average door to door was probably 90 minutes each way for the Mrs. Still 15 hours a week, that’s 2 days worth of work gone up in smoke. Most folk I’ve spoken to who commute into Manc only have bad things to say about it, think we had a thread about it on here 

Of course, those living in town have it easier 

Edited July 15, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Casino]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

That’s been a regular occurrence for those commuting from Chorley for about 2 years pre Covid-19

that rail line was a complete joke, not sure how’s its fared in Lockdown 

To be fair, thinking about it the average door to door was probably 90 minutes each way for the Mrs. Still 15 hours a week, that’s 2 days worth of work gone up in smoke. Most folk I’ve spoken to who commute into Manc only have had things to say about it, think we had a thread about it on here 

Of course, those living in town have it easier 

how is it 2 days of work gone

Surely its 2 days at home gone

Unless shes going to offer to work an extra 3 hours a day?

[radcliffe white]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

What if you dont take the car

If i used public transport to a job, say in farnworth, id be looking at over an hour, i reckon

If I get met it’s about hour and half each day 

[birch-chorley]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

how is it 2 days of work gone

Surely its 2 days at home gone

Unless shes going to offer to work an extra 3 hours a day?

Meant that it’s equivalent to 2 days of work 

It’s dead time for most 

[Casino]

I get that, but its not affecting the employer is it

Only your mrs

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

If I get met it’s about hour and half each day 

i suppose at least its reliable

With local trains and buses, if i have to be somehwhere, im usually there for the one at least one before the one i need

And if its important like football, 2 or 3 before 

[birch-chorley]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

I get that, but its not affecting the employer is it

Only your mrs

It depends if your the type to clock in and out bang on time or not 

My Mrs would tell you that she gets more done working from home, it’s easier to get those extra couple of hours in now she works from home vs when she’s in the office and she has to leave at X time to catch Y train so she can pick this kids up. Of course you can always log back on late at night but it’s harder to motivate yourself to do that than it is to crack on for another half hour 

If the average office worker can save themselves 5-10 hours a week of commuting then it’s only going to be beneficial for productivity. Then again, I’ve worked from home 3/4 days a week for the last ten years and I’ve always found it more productive from home vs an office 

[Casino]

Fair points

Fwiw, i graft at work, but id be useless at home

[radcliffe white]

Anyway had email off high school and so many changes for September

pack lunches only/ porta cabin toilets for certain years/ allocated outdoor zones for year groups and much more to be reviewed every 2 weeks

it sounds military 

[birch-chorley]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

Fair points

Fwiw, i graft at work, but id be useless at home

Cancel Netflix, you’ll be all right 

[Zico]

36 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

It depends if your the type to clock in and out bang on time or not 

My Mrs would tell you that she gets more done working from home, it’s easier to get those extra couple of hours in now she works from home vs when she’s in the office and she has to leave at X time to catch Y train so she can pick this kids up. Of course you can always log back on late at night but it’s harder to motivate yourself to do that than it is to crack on for another half hour 

If the average office worker can save themselves 5-10 hours a week of commuting then it’s only going to be beneficial for productivity. Then again, I’ve worked from home 3/4 days a week for the last ten years and I’ve always found it more productive from home vs an office 

when I worked for an agency, I never did anything at home, was far more productive in the office

now I work for myself from home, I get loads done and couldn't bear going into an office again

the thought of even a 15 minute commute does my head in

[birch-chorley]

Perhaps it’s because we work from home, when we are in the office it’s easy to spend more time catching up and having a general natter than doing actual work, no distractions at home in that respect 

I’d not touch a daily commute with a barge pole now 

Then again I’ve spent the last 7 years Going to London once a week for a day or two. That’s out the window now though, not been in since March and won’t be going until it’s all over. New norm after that once a month!

Fuck knows what the Hilton (and other hotels) will do long term with massively reduced business traffic 

 

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Perhaps it’s because we work from home, when we are in the office it’s easy to spend more time catching up and having a general natter than doing actual work, no distractions at home in that respect 

I’d not touch a daily commute with a barge pole now 

Then again I’ve spent the last 7 years Going to London once a week for a day or two. That’s out the window now though, not been in since March and won’t be going until it’s all over. New norm after that once a month!

Fuck knows what the Hilton (and other hotels) will do long term with massively reduced business traffic 

 

Your Hilton points are going to take a dive mate

[radcliffe white]

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Your Hilton points are going to take a dive mate

Be knackered for London midweekers claiming super fan points