Meanwhile in Israel

[globaldiver]

54 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I heard on the radio that Biden had in exchange for the hostages held my Hamas and had been calling for more aid to arrive. 

Might be wrong.

Might be

[Wanderlust]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So I ask again.

What did Hamas think would happen when they attacked?

Surely they expected this level of attack back?

 

I suspect they thought they would take hostages to negotiate with expecting Israel to fold, perhaps even initiate an uprising of forces in neighbouring countries, rise up against the West at the behest of their Russian sponsors to divert resources away from Ukraine or simply just go to heaven as martyrs?

Whatever they were thinking, they clearly didn't give a flying f*** about the Palestinian people.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

12 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So I ask again.

What did Hamas think would happen when they attacked?

Surely they expected this level of attack back?

 

Their aim is very likely to spark a full-scale war, on a number of fronts, against Israel, with a view to wiping the country of the map

I'd expect the idea is to goad Israel into an invasion of Gaza and then Hamas/Hezbollah could launch an attack simultaneously from Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon 

[gonzo]

11 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Great question 

My guess is that they know/think that Iran has enough to beat Israel. The big question there is whether Iran has nuclear weapons.

Well Im glad we are team USA if that's the case.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Regarding the willingness to negotiate, this is the offer Arafat turned down in 1994

[Farrelli]

20 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So I ask again.

What did Hamas think would happen when they attacked?

Surely they expected this level of attack back?

 

And I’ll tell you again Hamas don’t care about any people 

[gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

And I’ll tell you again Hamas don’t care about any people 

So what do you want Israel to do?

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So what do you want Israel to do?

Just get attacked without retaliation by the sounds of it. 

[Farrelli]

12 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So what do you want Israel to do?

The same as we do when we are attacked by Terrorists. Or would you rather we just go baling in killing innocent families?

[royal white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

The same as we do when we are attacked by Terrorists. Or would you rather we just go baling in killing innocent families?

“We” did kill innocent families.

[Farrelli]

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

Just get attacked without retaliation by the sounds of it. 

how successful are they going to be eliminating Hamas and who will be left at the end to celebrate the new safe region they have created?

Edited October 27, 2023 by Farrelli

[Winchester White]

15 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Regarding the willingness to negotiate, this is the offer Arafat turned down in 1994

Yep, another disaster in this whole sorry tale. Just like Rabin being assassinated not long after that.

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

“We” did kill innocent families.

Yes so maybe you should realise it’s a bad idea

[Farrelli]

Just now, Winchester White said:

Yep, another disaster in this whole sorry tale. Just like Rabin being assassinated not long after that.

Funny, I thought this only started three weeks ago.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yes so maybe you should realise it’s a bad idea

You’ve just said we should do the same thing. Make your mind up.

[Wanderlust]

18 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Regarding the willingness to negotiate, this is the offer Arafat turned down in 1994

So a deal that gave the Israelis 8% of their military gains in the West Bank, allowed the Israelis to retain their weapons whilst the Palestinians had to hand their's over, financial compensation for but no return of the Palestinian land the Israelis stole earlier and Palestinian sovereignty over the bits of Jerusalem that they'd always had sovereignty over?

Sounds a bit like "we're nicking your living room and kicking you out, but here's a few quid in compensation."

Arafat deserved his Nobel Peace Prize for just having to listen to that shit - but he did sign the Oslo Accords and at least he wasn't assassinated by his own people for trying to make peace - unlike Yitzhak Rabin.

[Farrelli]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve just said we should do the same thing. Make your mind up.

With respect to terrorist attacks in London in 2005, for example. Or IRA attacks. I don’t remember us carpet bombing areas after those. We kept within International law. That is what Israel should do. 

[royal white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

With respect to terrorist attacks in London in 2005, for example. Or IRA attacks. I don’t remember us carpet bombing areas after those. We kept within International law. That is what Israel should do. 

We killed many innocents around the Middle East after London and in NI. It makes no difference if they were “carpet bombed” or shot from a soldiers rifle they still ended up in a body bag. 
 

Maybe you saying they should do what we did is not the best of ideas. 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 hours ago, Winchester White said:

If folk think ordinary Gazans can overthrow their Hamas 'government' they are on drugs. They are a set of evil cunts who assassinated their Fatah opposition and anyone against them.

They should welcome Israel with open arms when they march into Gaza… but they won’t will they. 

[Winchester White]

13 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

So a deal that gave the Israelis 8% of their military gains in the West Bank, allowed the Israelis to retain their weapons whilst the Palestinians had to hand their's over, financial compensation for but no return of the Palestinian land the Israelis stole earlier and Palestinian sovereignty over the bits of Jerusalem that they'd always had sovereignty over?

Sounds a bit like "we're nicking your living room and kicking you out, but here's a few quid in compensation."

Arafat deserved his Nobel Peace Prize for just having to listen to that shit - but he did sign the Oslo Accords and at least he wasn't assassinated by his own people for trying to make peace - unlike Yitzhak Rabin.

I don't have the knowledge on the whole thing other than trying my best to make sense of it all through articles past and present.

From reading, things were so very close to a form of solution back then, yet so far, seems a light year away now.

[Winchester White]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They should welcome Israel with open arms when they march into Gaza… but they won’t will they. 

That is the most stupid thing I have read on the whole conflict. Fucking hell Mounts.

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

We killed many innocents around the Middle East after London and in NI. It makes no difference if they were “carpet bombed” or shot from a soldiers rifle they still ended up in a body bag. 
 

Maybe you saying they should do what we did is not the best of ideas. 

Whatever. My position should be fairly clear even for you to understand. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

With respect to terrorist attacks in London in 2005, for example. Or IRA attacks. I don’t remember us carpet bombing areas after those. We kept within International law. That is what Israel should do. 

We absolutely did not

[royal white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Whatever. My position should be fairly clear even for you to understand. 

Yes you made it perfectly clear. “They should do what we did”. We aided in killing 1000s of innocents. You can try and twist it all you like but they’re facts. Which brings me back to my earlier post, innocents will unfortunately always get caught up in wars, conflicts whatever you want to call them, 

[wanderer1984]

48 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’ve just said we should do the same thing. Make your mind up.

Muddled & Puddled.