Farrelli Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Palestinian bloke debating with the presenter on sky news then. Proper indoctrinated. You have to be to work for sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Carlos said: How come they can smuggle in a fuck ton of rocket launchers but can get food and water in? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: Nah mate, you’ve looked at the wider picture, historical context and taken a balanced view. That makes you anti-Israel and a terrorist sympathiser. Just like the MPs 🙄 Nearly 2000 dead in Israel’s response- 600 of them children. I get the anger and need to do something, but I don’t see how this fixes it. Political analyst on R4 saying today that it’s playing into Hamas hands and distancing Israel from Arab nations who they had built ties with recently, such as Saudi Arabia. The action of Hamas caused it. End of. All this constant criticism of Israel is at best completely missing the point, at worst supporting their enemy. Of course it's what Hamas want, but they're the cunts hiding behind the people they pretend to represent. Only one lot tries to protect innocents. The other lot aims for them. Remarkable how the number of deaths in Gaza isn't that far in excess of Jewish deaths, despite thousands of munitions being used to degrade terrorist equipment. That suggests a far more nuanced approach than is being given credit for. If human shields are lost, then that's on Hamas, not Israel. The other nations getting close was, at least in part, the reason why this happened- Iran doesn't want it. Once Gaza has been properly cleansed, the likes of Saudi will be quietly relieved. Then it will be interesting to see if the people of Gaza want to re-elect another terrorist group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The action of Hamas caused it. End of. All this constant criticism of Israel is at best completely missing the point, at worst supporting their enemy. Of course it's what Hamas want, but they're the cunts hiding behind the people they pretend to represent. Only one lot tries to protect innocents. The other lot aims for them. Remarkable how the number of deaths in Gaza isn't that far in excess of Jewish deaths, despite thousands of munitions being used to degrade terrorist equipment. That suggests a far more nuanced approach than is being given credit for. If human shields are lost, then that's on Hamas, not Israel. The other nations getting close was, at least in part, the reason why this happened- Iran doesn't want it. Once Gaza has been properly cleansed, the likes of Saudi will be quietly relieved. Then it will be interesting to see if the people of Gaza want to re-elect another terrorist group. Yes, the fella on the radio said this was a remarkable situation in that the casualties were similar in both sides, which he said has been different to historic conflicts. I don’t disagree with some of what you’ve said. Israel do often get blamed without Hamas’ role being scrutinised. But the criticism of Israel isn’t constant. Our government, politicians and the media have been highly critical of Hamas also. Interesting that Israel’s allies are now asking them to rein it in. Your point about the shields isn’t always accurate. Even though Hamas do use citizens in this way, Israel can’t always hide behind that as an excuse. There are clear cases where they have carelessly targeted women, children & journalists. Even at times when Hamas have not been firing rockets or purposefully putting those people in jeopardy. Their actions in the West Bank have for decades forced innocent Palestinians into situations of needless poverty and misery. In areas where militants are not present. Criticising these actions isn’t supporting Hamas!! You’ve provided no real evidence that MPs have been sympathising with terrorists. It’s quite worrying that someone with your level of rationality thinks it’s okay to label people in that way, and can’t see the dangers in that kind of misinformation spreading. Edited October 16, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 16, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2023 Muslim fella shooting folk in Brussels tonight. Jews never seem to do this type of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Spider said: I’m in no rush, but ten minutes watching the news and I’m surprised Kay Burley and co. aren’t piling into Gaza atop Sky News tanks in a hail of gunfire. https://youtu.be/r3BO6GP9NMY?si=Gnv6mJfWyu7OR9pP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Spider said: . Jews never seem to do this type of thing. They do seem to bear the brunt of extreme violence, historically as well. Maybe that explains part of why they’ve become the nation they are. There are some backward Zionists movements out there as well though, advocating for some pretty grim stuff. 7 Year old Palestinian child stabbed to death in America yesterday , Police say the murderer was motivated by the Israel/Hamas conflict. Grim Edited October 16, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Spider said: Muslim fella shooting folk in Brussels tonight. Jews never seem to do this type of thing. Specifically went after Sweden fans from what I've seen, horrific. Players refusing to play the second half now the news has got round. Edited October 16, 2023 by Marc505 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Marc505 said: Specifically went after Sweden fans from what I've seen, horrific. Did he shout Allah Akhbar ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Marc505 said: Specifically went after Sweden fans from what I've seen, horrific. Players refusing to play the second half now the news has got round. And the stadium has been locked down to keep people inside and presumably safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 If Israel go in to northern gaza and 'defeat hamas' as they intend to are they giving northern Gaza back to the Palestinians when it's over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, tomski said: Did he shout Allah Akhbar ? Allal Qauckbar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Nah mate, you’ve looked at the wider picture, historical context and taken a balanced view. That makes you anti-Israel and a terrorist sympathiser. Just like the MPs 🙄 Nearly 2000 dead in Israel’s response- 600 of them children. I get the anger and need to do something, but I don’t see how this fixes it. Political analyst on R4 saying today that it’s playing into Hamas hands and distancing Israel from Arab nations who they had built ties with recently, such as Saudi Arabia. If 600 kids are dead from 2000 killed that sounds like hamas using kids as a shield. Why does that not suprise me. Sooner Israel get in and take them out the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, gonzo said: Allal Qauckbar Case closed then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If 600 kids are dead from 2000 killed that sounds like hamas using kids as a shield. Why does that not suprise me. Sooner Israel get in and take them out the better. Yes, nothing on Israel in any of this. All blame lies with Hamas for everything and anything. Take them away and all problems go away and Palestinians can have their land back dream of prosperity 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If 600 kids are dead from 2000 killed that sounds like hamas using kids as a shield. Why does that not suprise me. Sooner Israel get in and take them out the better. Have you just made that up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, Marc505 said: Specifically went after Sweden fans from what I've seen, horrific. Players refusing to play the second half now the news has got round. He's driving round the streets on a moped and they've still not caught up with him Madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: Have you just made that up? Just quoting what London Wanderer quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, gonzo said: Allal Qauckbar Sounds like a vegan halal kebab bar serving doner kebabs made of quorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: Just quoting what London Wanderer quoted. London Wanderer = loves the Jews Mounts Kipper = loves the Muslims Change my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Yes, nothing on Israel in any of this. All blame lies with Hamas for everything and anything. Take them away and all problems go away and Palestinians can have their land back dream of prosperity 🙄 99% of this is hamas doing, not a lot Israel can do if hamas are bringing kids into hamas buildings to act as a shield. The cancer needs removing and once it’s done then the Palestinians need to choose carefully who they vote into power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: He's driving round the streets on a moped and they've still not caught up with him Madness These attacks where its one or just a few people in city centres scare me so much. The amount of carnage and damage that can be caused and the time it can take to nail the perpetrators down while it continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: 99% of this is hamas doing, not a lot Israel can do if hamas are bringing kids into hamas buildings to act as a shield. The cancer needs removing and once it’s done then the Palestinians need to choose carefully who they vote into power. Who The Palestinians vote into power! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 I imagine they've got 'dogs at polling stations' trending on twatter on polling day over their too with their amazing democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 For balance... Apparently Bibi "I've been in power more times than soft mick" Netanyahu was running low in the popularity stakes before all this kicked off with the more liberal Jews not happy with his Conservative views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: 99% of this is hamas doing, not a lot Israel can do if hamas are bringing kids into hamas buildings to act as a shield. The cancer needs removing and once it’s done then the Palestinians need to choose carefully who they vote into power. Some were trying to flee the bloody place They make kids homeless in places where they don’t vote for Hamas … Israel’s allies are now asking them to take more care. You’re right about the shield, but it’s not always the case. Does pose the question though, would you personally kill hundreds of kids to get to someone who had murdered your own? Will Israel’s actions work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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