Coronavirus

[jeep]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Remind me who’s in charge?

Not Labour 👍

[Escobarp]

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Hancock did say that Apple wouldn't change their system didn't he.

Now, in fairness to Apple, if that would cause a lot of trouble and cost, I can have sympathy. But that isn't the fault of the government.

Good to see that we did develop a system that works better with regards to distance measurement than theirs too.

Hopefully, this bringing together of the two systems will be quick and effective.

Presumably then, the whole world will be able to use it if desired.

It’s our there if you look for it pal. We have a system that works. Apple are restricting it. For their own. Reasons. As is their prerogative. But how that’s the the fault of the government  I’ve no idea 

but you know how it is. 

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Who’s in charge of your company spider?  CEO or MD?

I’ll play along with 2 caveats:

1: We have an MD who is crackers

2: We aren’t running the 5th biggest economy on earth with the lives of 70million people in our hands.

Shoot...

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

I’ll play along with 2 caveats:

1: We have an MD who is crackers

2: We aren’t running the 5th biggest economy on earth with the lives of 70million people in our hands.

Shoot...

3. Dealing with the effects of a brand new killer virus.

Not necessarily getting everything right, but certainly not for the want of trying, and certainly not deliberately.

We've had one comment that Johnson has got blood on his hands. That from someone who said just let folk get it.

Thanks fuck we didn't go down that route.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

3. Dealing with the effects of a brand new killer virus.

Not necessarily getting everything right, but certainly not for the want of trying, and certainly not deliberately.

We've had one comment that Johnson has got blood on his hands. That from someone who said just let folk get it.

Thanks fuck we didn't go down that route.

And on point 3 I’ve given the government plenty of wriggle room. The money side of things has been impeccable, which is great, but there’s a growing amount of evidence suggesting that it’s papering over some fairly big cracks.

A government’s primary task is to protect its citizens. I feel they have taken their eye off the ball with a few things and hoped the big paid holiday will keep everyone happy. Which, to a degree, it has.

5 on 10 for me.

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’ll play along with 2 caveats:

1: We have an MD who is crackers

2: We aren’t running the 5th biggest economy on earth with the lives of 70million people in our hands.

Shoot...

I get point 2 I genuinely do. 
 

unfortunately no matter how big a country you are you don’t control Apple. That’s just a fact. 
 

So back to point one. Your MD runs your business. He just dictates to your suppliers of all size? demands they do what he says and to put aside their own commerical interests? Correct?

 

this is just in direct response to your who’s in charge question. I’m just playing it through my unhinged, low IQ and challenged brain so please humour me To help me understand. 
 

and racist don’t forget that 👍🏼

Edited June 18, 2020 by Escobarp

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

I get point 2 I genuinely do. 
 

unfortunately no matter how big a country you are you don’t control Apple. That’s just a fact. 
 

So back to point one. Your MD runs your business. He just dictates to your suppliers of all size? demands they do what he says and to put aside their own commerical interests? Correct?

 

this is just in direct response to your who’s in charge question. I’m just playing it through my unhinged, low IQ and challenged brain so please humour me To help me understand. 
 

and racist don’t forget that 👍🏼

Well

For every material we buy there are options. We bargain from a position of power. If we have 3 steel manufacturers to choose from, we assess each offering and go with the best one based on the criteria we’ve set.

Same with everything down to the ink for the printers.

You seem to suggest we had no other choice?

[Alf Hartigan]

25 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

But they deserve no credit for that Dexy drug, vaccine development, checking a trillion at the economy, building new hospitals in 10 minutes. That's expected.

 

Just a bit of balance, rather than full ot attack, would make it less obviously political.

4 more years.

 

I'm all for more balance.

A bit less snide wouldn't go amiss

[Escobarp]

Just now, Spider said:

Well

For every material we buy there are options. We bargain from a position of power. If we have 3 steel manufacturers to choose from, we assess each offering and go with the best one based on the criteria we’ve set.

Same with everything down to the ink for the printers.

You seem to suggest we had no other choice?

I believe they chose from a pool. Whichever they chose unless going for a Global option involving Apple and google was now in HINDSIGHT never going to work, because of Apple. So here’s the big sting, working on the global solution will take considerably longer to develop and bring online, what would the reaction have been to that? I think you know. You’re bright.  
 

I don’t think anyone foresaw Apple blocking it like they have In reality. But I’m sure labour would have  in some eyes

[peelyfeet]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I believe they chose from a pool. Whichever they chose unless going for a Global option involving Apple and google was now in HINDSIGHT never going to work, because of Apple. So here’s the big sting, working on the global solution will take considerably longer to develop and bring online, what would the reaction have been to that? I think you know. You’re bright.  
 

I don’t think anyone foresaw Apple blocking it like they have In reality. But I’m sure labour would have  in some eyes

They had one in s Korea and Singapore in March. Australia copied Singapore in April

[jeep]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I believe they chose from a pool. Whichever they chose unless going for a Global option involving Apple and google was now in HINDSIGHT never going to work, because of Apple. So here’s the big sting, working on the global solution will take considerably longer to develop and bring online, what would the reaction have been to that? I think you know. You’re bright.  
 

I don’t think anyone foresaw Apple blocking it like they have In reality. But I’m sure labour would have  in some eyes

Labour's app would be on Nokia 8210s......

[Escobarp]

Just now, peelyfeet said:

They had one in s Korea and Singapore in March. Australia copied Singapore in April

They’ve had one In South Korea for years have they not? 
 

how is Australia’s working out? How’s the success over there? Take up rate/ percentage of population using it? Compatibility with current tech? Any idea? 
 

any idea why we haven’t copied Korea’s? Sure somebody mentioned why many many pages back?

why have a lot of other countries not copied them? 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I'm all for more balance.

A bit less snide wouldn't go amiss

Sure

But that’s what they can’t handle; democracy.

[Escobarp]

18 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

They’ve had one In South Korea for years have they not? 
 

how is Australia’s working out? How’s the success over there? Take up rate/ percentage of population using it? Compatibility with current tech? Any idea? 
 

any idea why we haven’t copied Korea’s? Sure somebody mentioned why many many pages back?

why have a lot of other countries not copied them? 

Just had a look. Aussie app huge issues with iOS/Apple.  No surprise there then. Android works excellently. Same as the one I believe developed in UK. 

so the fabled South Korean app must have same issues I guess   

Aussie government out 

[Ani]

Ahh the boys who think Boris and the boys can do no wrong are back. 
 

I know Esco is having a bad day so good he has some back up. 🙄😃😘😋

Lets accept the first defence ‘Labour would have been worse.’  But wonder at what point people might raise their expectations of this lot. 
Boris promised a world beating solution and is not delivering anything. (That is 2 facts for the price of one) 

Hancock said the App was an essential part of delivering game changing track and trac and is not delivering anything (2 facts but second already use). 

Instead of asking the Govt why they made promises they can not deliver we are blaming Apple. Why ? Surely building a system that was dependant on a massive corporate changing their operating system is a bit risky not more realistically reckless. So have the Govt been screwed over by Apple ? Do we need to dig up Steve Job and shout at him ? Well the Govt are working with Apple to deliver a solution so it seems they are still friends. 
 

Look pretending this is not a  faux pas by the Govt is something only people who will back them despite the facts would do. Shit happens and taken in isolation would not be something to get het up about. But let’s be honest there are too many slip ups at the moment. I actually admire the fact they are sticking to the 2m rule despite pressure. 
 

As mentioned earlier in thread daily admissions are up week on week and we are about 2 weeks since lockdown was eased. Hancock (who strangely I like) just ignored that in the briefing. The scientists have been dropped from briefings ..why ? 
 

It is not about sides it is acknowledging what is actually happening

[Spider]

Should there be a massive second wave, I’m confident Boris will have the response Oven Ready.

[Escobarp]

Just now, Ani said:

Ahh the boys who think Boris and the boys can do no wrong are back. 
 

I know Esco is having a bad day so good he has some back up. 🙄😃😘😋

Lets accept the first defence ‘Labour would have been worse.’  But wonder at what point people might raise their expectations of this lot. 
Boris promised a world beating solution and is not delivering anything. (That is 2 facts for the price of one) 

Hancock said the App was an essential part of delivering game changing track and trac and is not delivering anything (2 facts but second already use). 

Instead of asking the Govt why they made promises they can not deliver we are blaming Apple. Why ? Surely building a system that was dependant on a massive corporate changing their operating system is a bit risky not more realistically reckless. So have the Govt been screwed over by Apple ? Do we need to dig up Steve Job and shout at him ? Well the Govt are working with Apple to deliver a solution so it seems they are still friends. 
 

Look pretending this is not a  faux pas by the Govt is something only people who will back them despite the facts would do. Shit happens and taken in isolation would not be something to get het up about. But let’s be honest there are too many slip ups at the moment. I actually admire the fact they are sticking to the 2m rule despite pressure. 
 

As mentioned earlier in thread daily admissions are up week on week and we are about 2 weeks since lockdown was eased. Hancock (who strangely I like) just ignored that in the briefing. The scientists have been dropped from briefings ..why ? 
 

It is not about sides it is acknowledging what is actually happening

I’m not saying the government shouldn’t have seen this coming. The evidence was out there clear as day. Why they felt they could get round it is nonsensical and they’ve wasted time and money. 
Im guessing (but it’s a guess) they were told that they could get round it. The developers that is. Suspect that’s the true story. Suspect that’s what’s happened in Australia as well  

but the real story here for me is by the sounds of it unless we are held to ransom by Apple we won’t have a successful contact tracing app. Should we just bow down and pay the ransom? I don’t know. 
Sets an awful precedent  

 

 

[Ani]

Just now, Escobarp said:

I’m not saying the government shouldn’t have seen this coming. The evidence was out there clear as day. Why they felt they could get round it is nonsensical and they’ve wasted time and money. 
Im guessing (but it’s a guess) they were told that they could get round it. The developers that is. Suspect that’s the true story. Suspect that’s what’s happened in Australia as well  

but the real story here for me is by the sounds of it unless we are held to ransom by Apple we won’t have a successful contact tracing app. Should we just bow down and pay the ransom? I don’t know. 
Sets an awful precedent  

 

 

Blimey lot more reasonable response than I expected. Hope your day has improved. 
 

Given Govts round the world are rolling this back I honestly think it is a case that they can not do what is needed. The Apple  system that is off the shelf does not track distance. So they are working together for a solution. 
 

25% with a positive test do not reply to track and trace. Let’s start fining people. 

[Casino]

Was it ready when he said it was or was it not?

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Was it ready when he said it was or was it not?

 

No

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

Was it ready when he said it was or was it not?

 

Depends on the tests that were being done  and the sample size mix  no?

 

is Australia’s “working and ready now”. Apparently so. South Korea’s? 
so I’m summary Nobody’s track and trace app across the world is working unless Apple are banned from their country. Correct? Excellent. Let’s move on 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Escobarp

[jmjhb]

How have they only just worked out that the contact tracing doesn't work on iPhones, shouldn't that have been established right at the start

[Tombwfc]

Do they have Apple phones on the Isle of Wight?

Plenty of people were saying months ago that this wouldn't work, for the exact reasons it hasn't worked. That's not hindsight, it's sight.

Cue usual bullshit about backing multiple horses - having previously denied they were thinking about moving to the Apple/Google app and saying explicitly that there was only one app. And if we had been working on both all along, why will it take until winter for us to have ours working?

Not sure what was worth getting so defensive over. It's not even newsworthy.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Tombwfc

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

Blimey lot more reasonable response than I expected. Hope your day has improved. 
 

Given Govts round the world are rolling this back I honestly think it is a case that they can not do what is needed. The Apple  system that is off the shelf does not track distance. So they are working together for a solution. 
 

25% with a positive test do not reply to track and trace. Let’s start fining people. 

If you give me a reasonable reply or post I will reply reasonably. Simple as that. Some are unable to do that. 
 

correct. All these apps that have been heralded will not work with Apple on a consistent basis. So if you run a test sample of 1000 people and those thousand predominantly use android it’s going to show a high success rate or if those being sampled walk round with their Apple phones unlocked and in their hands it’s going to distort the results. 
 

we have tried to go down that route and it’s ended the same way sadly. We are at the mercy of Apple to devise a solution but that solution will then need to marry up with android or we are no nearer. 

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

How have they only just worked out that the contact tracing doesn't work on iPhones, shouldn't that have been established right at the start

Like any tech business I imagine a huge contract comes up numerous developers say we’ve got the fix. We can fix this. Apple sit there. Knowing they can’t. 
 

also doesn’t help when the likes of Australia herald their success. When I’m reality the truth comes out it doesn’t work. Same issues world wide. One solution. Apple