Traf Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 We just need Scalextric roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Sweep said: All true but it’s shit that you still need to plan things. The infrastructure just isn't here yet, and won't be for many, many years. It’s what puts me off Abington services on the M74 was always busy but never too bad. Christ. They are rammed now at all times as they’ve given over a lot of the car park to charging points and every spot is full with folk waiting I do too many miles to think about full EV. No way could I be arsed travelling to Scotchland, the shires or Newcastle, as I do regularly, thinking about planning extra time to charge (which is actually fine) or queuing to charge/diverting to charge (which is not) I’ll plod on with my self charging hybrid for now. Give me infrastructure and/or better range and I’ll happily go full EV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campos_Wig Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Winchester White said: Nice car but expensive. How do you use Tesla chargers on a Kia BTW? Any issue with lack of points on major services? I would like to go full EV but have doubts. There are quite a few Tesla superchargers that take non Teslas as long as you have a CCS connection. https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/support/non-tesla-supercharging  I use the one in Aviemore, the Superchargers in Inverness are solely just for Tesla. (But there’s a BP 150kw charger on the Longman)  Theres 4x Ionity at Gretna and Perth, but as the charging is so quick, I’ve never waited longer than 10 mins to get on a charger.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campos_Wig Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Sweep said: All true but its shit that you still need to plan things. The infrastructure just isn't here yet, and won't be for many, many years. I still honestly belive that EVs are the "Emporers New Clothes" those investing now, could catch a cold. It’s a doddle, inbuilt Sat nav calculates range and lists all the charging points that are available enroute. I have it set so that it on lists 50kw chargers and above. Also have just 2 x cards, Kia charge card (lower rates) and a CPS card. All sat nav updates done automatically OTA to keep list up to date. I have no problem doing 400+ mile trips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 On 03/08/2023 at 15:04, freds dad said: I had mine installed separately and use Octopus Intelligent at 7.5kwh night rate from 23.30 to 05.30. You can also use these times for washing machine and dishwasher to save some money. Was looking into Octopus Intelligent last night. Doesn't seem to say if it's dual fuel. Did you need to get your gas from a separate supplier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Campos_Wig said: It’s a doddle, inbuilt Sat nav calculates range and lists all the charging points that are available enroute. I have it set so that it on lists 50kw chargers and above. Also have just 2 x cards, Kia charge card (lower rates) and a CPS card. All sat nav updates done automatically OTA to keep list up to date. I have no problem doing 400+ mile trips All very good on motorway driving between cities. Few bids in work getting caught trying to get around Dem & Kernow. @Sweep has a point. Not sure hydrogen will catch up but be interesting to see how many of todays cars can take an upgrade when improved battery technology comes along. Never looked enough to know what happens when your battery won’t take a charge. Hopefully not same as with drills and vacuums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Campos_Wig said: It’s a doddle, inbuilt Sat nav calculates range and lists all the charging points that are available enroute. I have it set so that it on lists 50kw chargers and above. Also have just 2 x cards, Kia charge card (lower rates) and a CPS card. All sat nav updates done automatically OTA to keep list up to date. I have no problem doing 400+ mile trips how much dose it cost to Charge up ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter superjohnmcginlay Posted August 5, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2023 Octopus do both gas and electric.  I’ve got an Ohme Pro charger for my volvo hybrid. Takes about 5 hours to charge only get 40 miles electric but it’s ideal for mooching round and what I need. I use combination of both electric and unleaded on longer journeys, mines google so you tell it where you want to go and it works out where to use electric and fuel.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, mickbrown said: Was looking into Octopus Intelligent last night. Doesn't seem to say if it's dual fuel. Did you need to get your gas from a separate supplier? The Intelligence part is for electric only but we get both from them. Use this link and we get ÂŁ50 each of our bill. https://share.octopus.energy/loved-sheep-483 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, freds dad said: The Intelligence part is for electric only but we get both from them. Use this link and we get ÂŁ50 each of our bill. https://share.octopus.energy/loved-sheep-483 That's ace. Cheers mate. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 5, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2023 16 hours ago, Sweep said: All true but its shit that you still need to plan things. The infrastructure just isn't here yet, and won't be for many, many years. I still honestly belive that EVs are the "Emporers New Clothes" those investing now, could catch a cold. Not at all. I was effectively forced to go electric (another story), but from a commercial point of view if you're a company doing reasonable miles around town, it's a no brainer. The post office have heavily gone down the route as they're ideal, as have others. The public charger business is indeed an issue, but very soon higher mileage batteries will reduce the likelihood of having to use them, even for high mileage employees. Will still be done predominantly at home, or at "the office" where applicable. I would also ask- what came first the petrol engined car, or the petrol station? The obvious similarities didn't stop the growth of the industry.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted August 6, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2023 Whenever I’ve stopped at motorway services the bank of EV chargers always seem to be full. Is there a system where you wait and are guaranteed the next empty space or are you expected to play a big game of musical chairs and hope a space opens up near you rather than someone bypassing you and straight into a gap? I can see this creating a shit-load of road rage if someone’s waiting a while and then misses out on their turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 On 05/08/2023 at 14:50, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not at all. I was effectively forced to go electric (another story), but from a commercial point of view if you're a company doing reasonable miles around town, it's a no brainer. The post office have heavily gone down the route as they're ideal, as have others. The public charger business is indeed an issue, but very soon higher mileage batteries will reduce the likelihood of having to use them, even for high mileage employees. Will still be done predominantly at home, or at "the office" where applicable. I would also ask- what came first the petrol engined car, or the petrol station? The obvious similarities didn't stop the growth of the industry. Â What came first; the petrol engine or EVs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 minute ago, globaldiver said: What came first; the petrol engine or EVs? EVs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 6, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2023 True. There is a chap who is pushing the technology to create petrol from hydrogen and carbon dioxide. Been around for a while apparently- the Germans were doing it but found extracting oil was cheaper for the war effort- but I can't see it catching on. About 4 times as expensive iirc, and requires hydrogen which may as well be used instead, and lots of energy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 This is worth a watch. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001f7y1/the-secret-genius-of-modern-life-series-1-4-electric-car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 On 05/08/2023 at 09:47, little whitt said: how much dose it cost to Charge up ??? Further to this. Is there a big cost difference between home charging, charging at, say, Tesco, and charging at motorway services? On 05/08/2023 at 14:50, Tonge moor green jacket said: The public charger business is indeed an issue, but very soon higher mileage batteries will reduce the likelihood of having to use them, even for high mileage employees. Will still be done predominantly at home, or at "the office" where applicable. How long do you reckon for something like a RAV4 for example? I want/need a 4x4 SUV for various reasons. If I could get around 400 miles for a big car like that I'd be pretty happy 2 hours ago, MickyD said: Whenever I’ve stopped at motorway services the bank of EV chargers always seem to be full. Is there a system where you wait and are guaranteed the next empty space or are you expected to play a big game of musical chairs and hope a space opens up near you rather than someone bypassing you and straight into a gap? I can see this creating a shit-load of road rage if someone’s waiting a while and then misses out on their turn. Must admit that I did wonder the same I would genuinely like to go full EV. A local window cleaner has the same van as TMGJ. Can't remember how much he said he was saving a year on fuel but it was hefty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 6, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Further to this. Is there a big cost difference between home charging, charging at, say, Tesco, and charging at motorway services? How long do you reckon for something like a RAV4 for example? I want/need a 4x4 SUV for various reasons. If I could get around 400 miles for a big car like that I'd be pretty happy Must admit that I did wonder the same I would genuinely like to go full EV. A local window cleaner has the same van as TMGJ. Can't remember how much he said he was saving a year on fuel but it was hefty Already cars over 300 miles quoted, and some over 400. The new Toyota amongst others I reckon are now changing the market. Anything with a 100kwh+ battery and/or solid state. Fiskars also offering a new approach. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/108345/top-10-longest-range-electric-cars  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Already cars over 300 miles quoted, and some over 400. The new Toyota amongst others I reckon are now changing the market. Anything with a 100kwh+ battery and/or solid state. Fiskars also offering a new approach. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/108345/top-10-longest-range-electric-cars  Ta. The BMW iX looks interesting. My RAV4 has 12 months left so may come off the company scheme and get my own car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 6, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2023 Do a bit of checking as to reliability too. Last time I looked, the German ones and Teslas had nagging faults- not necessarily associated with the power pack- just other stuff. That may have gone away with time, especially with the German ones. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 hour ago, MancWanderer said: Ta. The BMW iX looks interesting. My RAV4 has 12 months left so may come off the company scheme and get my own car Stay on the company scheme if you get an EV Bik tax is very low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 2 hours ago, RoadRunnerFan said: Stay on the company scheme if you get an EV Bik tax is very low. If I can I will for that exact reason. The choice though at the moment for EVs is a bit shit so I may have to go off scheme and take the vehicle allowance. Hopefully it will change in the next twelve months. Manufacturing side is aiming to go carbon neutral very quickly so hoping they see the bigger picture across the rest of the company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Already cars over 300 miles quoted, and some over 400. The new Toyota amongst others I reckon are now changing the market. Anything with a 100kwh+ battery and/or solid state. Fiskars also offering a new approach. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/108345/top-10-longest-range-electric-cars  Mate in work has Polestar with quoted range of 340 miles. He is lucky to get back from office in Coventry if doesn’t need AC or wipers. Almost like VW are doing figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 7, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted August 7, 2023 2 hours ago, green genie said: Mate in work has Polestar with quoted range of 340 miles. He is lucky to get back from office in Coventry if doesn’t need AC or wipers. Almost like VW are doing figures Motorway presumably. Be interested to know what speed he drives at though. My van is quoted at 200, when fully charged shows around 180. It would do Coventry to Bolton no problem, including motorway, so long as it wasn't flogged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 7, 2023 Moderators Share Posted August 7, 2023 im guessing he doesnt try to drive it faster than his traditional vehicle so thems the figures that matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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