Next Manager

[Zog1]

With the comments that he'd tried to resign in September and the board rejected it, might mean this decision has been in the offing for awhile. Who knows it could mean a new manager is closer than we expect with so many important games coming up.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

33 minutes ago, VividDreamer said:

Turned down Burton in December, I think we’d be too big of a pull to resist..

Strangely, reading his record on Wikipedia, the way he's worked his way up at Crewe, is very similar to what David Lee did here.

Except he got the top gig, and Lee didn't.

[tshape]

11 minutes ago, superkev said:

Yeah fair. I know it’s a better than Sunday league, I agree that a 59 year old bundesliga 3 manager would be an odd appointment

Exciting though init

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, desperado said:

Quoting you in this thread rather than Evatt, as this is about our new manager.

Getting the it’s a debate and we all have a valid opinion out of the way…

We can’t be starting off with a new manager, with folk dismissing, criticising, writing off and looking for all the negatives from day one! 

Surely O’Neill was getting things right keeping Bournemouth then Wolves in the premier league? And let’s repeat premier league. There were times I looked at those sides, the way they were playing and some of the results they were getting and  dreaming of us being in that position.

I’m going to be arguing with a few if we get trotted out all the reasons we shouldn’t appoint somebody. EVERYBODY we can appoint will have games/tenures/periods of time they haven’t looked great managers - that’s why they’ll be available to Bolton.

Whoever it is will get my backing, whatever their career pathway was before here. And whatever negative history there is, should be put to one side as they aim to get this side promoted out of L1.

I've just been to Sainsburys and I kid you not the only conversation I heard was 2 members of staff, a bloke said who do you want next and the woman replied that ex Wolves manager 😀 

Firstly, I will be behind whoever the new manager is, I will be excited for what they can bring, total clean slate whoever it is, I will "judge" them as I find them for us and nobody else as I have with every previous manager.  If its O'Neill, bring it on and I'll comment on each passing week just as I would if its Klopp or Slot. 

But Fan A says "get such a manager in, he's great" and Fan B says "I disagree and this is why".  That's normal forum/pub/office conversation isn't it?  If there's a list of 10 possible managers, you'll say "Sharon will appoint the best candidate and I trust her judgement" - fair enough.  Others will have a view on why they want Peter instead of Paul, it doesn't mean they won't get behind the new man. 

And have we not yet got passed that attitude that if someone has an opinion, they are "tactical experts, recruitment experts".  Fair enough to come back with reasons you disagree - in O'Neill's case I agree he did great at Bournemouth.  I was just referring to his last year or so at Wolves and yes I was just picking up on his obvious "fault" (defending set pieces) knowing he has plenty going for him too, but to effectively say "don't air that view unless you are a professional coach" - give over pal!

[desperado]

22 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Is Markham overseeing this?

Whether he’s advising on or overseeing manager recruitment, I’m not sure.

But Iles confirmed earlier, that for the time being, he’s survived the cull.

Which on a temporary basis, until a new manager comes in makes sense. Especially if you get in somebody like Rob Edwards, who would be a fit for the squad we have and might benefit from having someone like Markham who’s got some players already identified that he can run the rule over.

Whereas a different type of manager might come in and say thanks but no thanks and we shift him on like the rest of crew.

And then there’s always the case that all of that is a load of bollocks and I’m speculating nonsense like most of us 😂

[desperado]

19 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

don't air that view unless you are a professional coach" - give over pal!

I’m not saying that! 😂 I went out of my way, twice, to say it!

In the post above (without knowing you’d responded!) I’ve aired a speculative opinion and said I’m probably talking bullshit! 

But my point still remains, (and I’m glad you reference it above) whoever gets this gig deserves a clean slate, we shouldn’t be dismissing anyone for a poor spell/tenure they may have experienced somewhere else.

And O’Neil has plenty of good qualities and experiences that puts him well in the frame, which counters one of your earlier points that “I've no idea what any suggestions of O'Neill are based on” - why would I be making this point if I didn’t want a good fan debate with someone who isn’t a professional coach? 😊

Edited January 22 by desperado

[Kane57]

Mandy knows ball

[Steejay]

8 hours ago, Big E said:

He’s so shit it’s mental and folk love him

Maybe they want him back as a player?

[jayjayoghani]

I'm pleased for Julian Darby actually. Proper Bolton fan, even if he is only temp joint manager I'm sure he's feeling 10ft tall. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

3 hours ago, desperado said:

As soon as I pressed submit, he was the next name that came to mind 😂

Pardew?

Veloso is  manager at Dynamo Kviv.  He MUST be thinking Great Lever is a better option.

 

Edited January 22 by Dr. Feelgood

[e2e4]

2 hours ago, little whitt said:

who  was it we interviewed 

years ago 

and turned up 

Pissed 

fuck.. this'll do me head in. 

another one i cant remember were the one that rang 'em up from his car after being interviewed to turn it down coz he didnt like the feel/vibe/atmosphere of the place. 

could be the same dude (thinking chris wilder ) but maybe not. 

 

[superjohnmcginlay]

Plymouths new mon may be available soon. 

0-5 at half time. 
 

I hope the grass is greener when our new man takes over. I’m in that dread of fearing the unknown now.

 

[ianofcleveleys]

38 minutes ago, desperado said:

Whether he’s advising on or overseeing manager recruitment, I’m not sure.

But Iles confirmed earlier, that for the time being, he’s survived the cull.

Which on a temporary basis, until a new manager comes in makes sense. Especially if you get in somebody like Rob Edwards, who would be a fit for the squad we have and might benefit from having someone like Markham who’s got some players already identified that he can run the rule over.

Whereas a different type of manager might come in and say thanks but no thanks and we shift him on like the rest of crew.

And then there’s always the case that all of that is a load of bollocks and I’m speculating nonsense like most of us 😂

Markham is another slidey DoF who slips back behind his office door and keeps his head down, having been at least partly culpable for where we were last night. He won't be the first, been loads like him who've driven through all manner of bad buys at clubs and are still hanging around long after the coach has taken all the flak and is kicking his heels at home

[Tonge moor green jacket]

43 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

 

And have we not yet got passed that attitude that if someone has an opinion, they are "tactical experts, recruitment experts".  Fair enough to come back with reasons you disagree - in O'Neill's case I agree he did great at Bournemouth.  I was just referring to his last year or so at Wolves and yes I was just picking up on his obvious "fault" (defending set pieces) knowing he has plenty going for him too, but to effectively say "don't air that view unless you are a professional coach" - give over pal!

Absofuckinlutely.

Wouldn't say it amongst a group of mates putting the world to rights over a couple in a local boozer.

Just chit chat the same.

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

Plymouths new mon may be available soon. 

0-5 at half time. 
 

I hope the grass is greener when our new man takes over. I’m in that dread of fearing the unknown now.

 

Aye 

Which is why I'm sort of glad the board left it till now so that it's blindingly obvious he had to go

Because now no one can honestly say at any point "we should never have got rid of evatt"

I think this is one dismissal that everyone can agree with

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Markham is another slidey DoF who slips back behind his office door and keeps his head down, having been at least partly culpable for where we were last night. He won't be the first, been loads like him who've driven through all manner of bad buys at clubs and are still hanging around long after the coach has taken all the flak and is kicking his heels at home

Markham isn't a director of football in the sense we usually think of. 

His role is/was described as supporting manager Ian Evatt. 

He may well be gone when a new broom comes in.

[Hoppy]

9 minutes ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

Plymouths new mon may be available soon. 

0-5 at half time. 
 

I hope the grass is greener when our new man takes over. I’m in that dread of fearing the unknown now.

 

Miron Muslic had a good record as well

[BWFC_LOVE]

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

Scott Green could be a good outside bet. Got all his badges and knows the club.

That was an odd time when he was strong favourite for a couple of days. 

Couldn’t for the life of me tell you how long ago that was/which manager got the job.

[Johnnyrotten]

19 minutes ago, desperado said:

I’m not saying that! 😂 I went out of my way, twice, to say it!

In the post above (without knowing you’d responded!) I’ve aired a speculative opinion and said I’m probably talking bullshit! 

But my point still remains, (and I’m glad you reference it above) whoever gets this gig deserves a clean slate, we shouldn’t be dismissing anyone for a poor spell/tenure they may have experienced somewhere else.

And O’Neil has plenty of good qualities and experiences that puts him well in the frame, which counters one of your earlier points that “I've no idea what any suggestions of O'Neill are based on” - why would I be making this point if I didn’t want a good fan debate with someone who isn’t a professional coach? 😊

I know you said it was OK to have an opinion, but you also said "the bit I don't like, is how we go from having experts in formations and tactics, to experts in football management recruitment".   No experts on here, plenty folk criticising some of IEs tactics/transfers/conduct at times.

My "no idea what suggestions are based on" was a bit harsh I agree, I used to rate him because of his obvious qualities as a passionate but calm methodical manager with good communication, on top of being a very decent bloke.  But its hard to ignore how easy he made his team to score against in the last year or so.  But if he comes here, he's the type of character I can easily get behind, no preconceptions.

This is a day for optimism, looking forward, new beginnings, getting behind the club (he says, praying its not Rooney 😀).

On another note, Sharon's no longer attending the bondholders evening on Friday as she is "working through this period to find a suitable candidate to fill the vacant position and will not be available".  Sounds like they are expecting an intense few days, its not like Sharon to pull out of such events.  

[Zico]

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

Scott Green could be a 😊; outside bet. Got all his badges and knows the club.

Had a look at what he's up to 

Randomly managing a Finnish team called Pallo-lirit, been there 7 years

Or maybe it's not that random

Before he signed for us he we on loan at a Finnish team called Euran Pallo

[ianofcleveleys]

18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Markham isn't a director of football in the sense we usually think of. 

His role is/was described as supporting manager Ian Evatt. 

He may well be gone when a new broom comes in.

You're right, probably not in the sense of it at other clubs, will be interesting to see what pans out. 

 

[desperado]

45 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

No experts on here

You found my Achilles heel. 

I chit chat shit with the best on here, that’s what it’s for!

But in moments where folk are narrow minded to one view point and/or are definitive and adamant in a statement (especially when it’s a negative one) or you get statements like “why on earth has that happened..” “It doesn’t make sense…” “I don’t understand why anybody…” “It would be a disaster if this manager…” And they then go on to suggest quite categorically that if they do it this way or had done it their way, it would have have a better outcome. It winds me up and I tell them there’s a more positive scenario or an explanation that they haven’t considered 😊

And by the way Johnny that's not directed at you! I enjoy our discussions! 

Edited January 22 by desperado

[wakey]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

But Fan A says "get such a manager in, he's great" and Fan B says "I disagree and this is why".  That's normal forum/pub/office conversation isn't it?  If there's a list of 10 possible managers, you'll say "Sharon will appoint the best candidate and I trust her judgement" - fair enough.  Others will have a view on why they want Peter instead of Paul, it doesn't mean they won't get behind the new man. 

 

Fuck off. Peter's a right wanker.

(at least "Peter out" sounds funnier than "Evatt out")

[Stig]

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

Had a good look at all the names in the frame and had a chance to think a bit now the work day is done. 

Schumacher has done nothing wrong in his managerial career. Nobody seems to make it stick at Stoke and he'd won as many games as he'd lost in the ridiculously short spell he was afforded. 

As things stand he's my no 1 choice. I reserve the right to change my mind half a dozen times between now and breakfast tomorrow though 🙂

Agree. Schumacher has recent pedigree in this division - 100pt title winning season with an unfancied (and not that great) team. I'd take that.

And he did ok in the division above, is it's not short term thinking. So if he does get us up he'd be here for the long run.

Also his Scouse accent is only about a 6/10 so we can understand it.

[Stig]

1 hour ago, superjohnmcginlay said:

Plymouths new mon may be available soon. 

0-5 at half time. 
 

I hope the grass is greener when our new man takes over. I’m in that dread of fearing the unknown now.

 

Plymouth went down the route of "unknown glamorous foreigner" after "celeb coach". If we just stick to a manager with league 1 experience we should be ok