maaarsh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Whilst the private sector fell by nearly 500,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted March 13, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can teachers be compared to the private sector? When private school teachers earn more with better working conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can private sector office workers be compared to public sector though when private sector workers get fewer perks till their job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2012/12chap5.pdf The overall average public sector premium is estimated to be 8.3%; this is the average public–private pay differential unexplained by education, region, age or qualifications. Our overall estimate is similar (statistically and economically) to those produced by the ONS (7.8% as of April 2010) and Policy Exchange (8.8% as of December 2010). It is possible that public sector workers are on average more attractive employees than private sector workers in some other unobserved way (for example, how much effort they put in per hour of work), which would justify their pay premium. I think at this point the author fell out of his chair laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2012/12chap5.pdf The overall average public sector premium is estimated to be 8.3%; this is the average public–private pay differential unexplained by education, region, age or qualifications. Our overall estimate is similar (statistically and economically) to those produced by the ONS (7.8% as of April 2010) and Policy Exchange (8.8% as of December 2010). It is possible that public sector workers are on average more attractive employees than private sector workers in some other unobserved way (for example, how much effort they put in per hour of work), which would justify their pay premium. I think at this point the author fell out of his chair laughing. I certainly did, reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Girl Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Nevertheless, there are more private sector employees doing shitty low paid jobs than public sector workers. Like all those immigrants who come here working for a pittance & living 20 to a 2 up 2 down terrace & taking it in turn to have the use of a bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaarsh Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Every serious body and think-tank which does a study in to this finds a pay gap after adjusting for all relevant factors. You try to explain this by moving low paid work to the private sector at a time when there was actually a net movement of workers in the opposite direction. Do you think, perhaps, just maybe, whilst making no comment on the general utility and ideal size of the public sector, that the average public sector worker might be getting a pretty good deal compared to the rest of us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Why on earth do we let the non-productive part of the economy be paid more than the productive And, with pensions, it is way more than a few percent mental economics Edited March 13, 2014 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Oh great, so the unions are all thinking about strike action. I wonder how much public support they'll get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can teachers be compared to the private sector? When private school teachers earn more with better working conditions? Better working conditions? Yes. Better pay? No, overall, although obviously the better private schools do pay better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted March 13, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Most of the private sector is Private schools though and they do pay considerably more to entice better teachers. All the ones I've been looking at recently have been offering more, although the actual amount isn't specified (they're quite shy about giving those details)... that said a quick look on Tes this week mentions main scale payment.. its also a lot harder to get a job in a private school from what I have been told, However, that's going to be my aim this time next year.. Edited March 14, 2014 by only1swanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DazBob Posted March 14, 2014 Members Share Posted March 14, 2014 Most of the private sector is Private schools though and they do pay considerably more to entice better teachers. All the ones I've been looking at recently have been offering more, although the actual amount isn't specified (they're quite shy about giving those details)... that said a quick look on Tes this week mentions main scale payment.. its also a lot harder to get a job in a private school from what I have been told, However, that's going to be my aim this time next year.. Thought you'd already been promised a job at Bolton Skoo, mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Thought you'd already been promised a job at Bolton Skoo, mate? yeah, but, no, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted March 14, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted March 14, 2014 no, that's work experience... I wish i'd been promised a job there, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 14, 2014 Moderators Share Posted March 14, 2014 daughter casino is in the first year of her degree costing a fortune not sure why its reet that somebody with a degree in media studies can do a 1 year pgce and then teach or that folk can do a nursing degree for nowt then a 1 year pgce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted March 14, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted March 14, 2014 They can't Cas, they need to have a degree relevant to the field in which they want to teach, or they can do an enhancement course if they want to teach a subject that is in demand, (I.e.Maths Physics Biology Chemistry).. I have a Degree in Business Studies, currently studying A Level Economics and will be doing a PGCE in Business Studies ( was going to be maths but I didn't want to study for 2 years). There are no relevant school subjects with media studies or nursing (possibly biology but why would a qualified Nurse want to earn less as a teacher??), so they could do enhancements if they have studied that subject at A Level.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Swanny You can teach at primary school level with any old degree & a PGCE Even a degree in basket weaving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted March 15, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes. . Fair point had forgotten about primary. Course Is still intense though and if you have a level five qualification you must have the level of intellect required. . Plus the skills tests filter out quite a lot of people. Primary is over subscribed and the interview process is quite selective. Just read though that last month the Pearson testing system had a few funny days and passed skills test results that it shouldn't have. Might explain how I passed first time. Nice little argument on Tes about working condition issues and ill post it on here later. .. and its not physical working conditions its about mental working conditions that a lot of older teachers are facing with the constantly changing goalposts of teaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghana White Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I think teachings a hard job but you get paid more then nurses due to increments and work more sociable hours. I know a couple of nurses who went to teach primary due to better working hours for their family and pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 They're all cunts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 They're all cunts My brother in law, his wife and my cousin are all teachers and if they're anything to go by, I'm with Birch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 One of my best mate and his missus are teachers, get well paid, great holidays and never moan about it. Both have degrees and he has a PhD in Physics, both teach at state schools. They have three young kids and do have all summer off together. But it seems they are cunts based on what I have read here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Strike cancelled last night (i think). Wife turned up to Uni today, not 1 lecturer has turned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Shower of militant shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It's alright, most teachers think parents are cunts, so it's not all one way traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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