Transfer Gossip

[Tonge moor green jacket]

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He's had a chance all season and was all over the place at times.

When you're picking GJ at full back over him you know he's not at it.

Good player, great lad, but never a championship player.

I genuinely hope this post haunts me in a season or two but I just don't see it.

 

Sort of thing said about Tomo, and Alonso.

All left foot players.

He's got plenty of time yet. 

I think GJ there was recognition of him being a bit more solid defensively, but accepting the lack of defensive support from the wide man in front.

A bit more of a Mike Whitlow type.

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'll bet you 3 blue speckled Mitzubishis that Conway doesnt start more than 5 games for us next season.

 

 

You're on! 🤣

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

4 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

It struck me that the reason we probably gave Christie another year with us, was not that he'd be a first team regular, but rather he's an elder experienced player to have around to help and give advice to a young squad.

I think it's more likely an appearance-related clause was triggered

I do agree with your general poibt about experience though, and I actually thought it was one of problems this season

[Johnnyrotten]

27 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

While I understand what you're saying about Conway, the three players you mentioned (Vela, Clough, Hunt) played 400 odd games for us between them. They then left and drifted down the leagues to the point they were barely at League Two standard at 30.

They did get opportunities for us they wouldn't have if they weren't home grown players.

We all love Nicky Hunt but if he'd started at Bolton in the last 15 years like so many others he would never have played 1 Premiership game in his career.

Its not a criticism, so many appearances of home grown players are determined by the division their club happens to be in when they come through.  Kev Nolan was going to stay in the championship while the club did, and he helped us get upto the Prem then proved himself there, hard to see anyone buying him for the Prem, above fancy and cheaper foreigners.

Steve Thompson was unlucky we were in Div 3 in the 80s and he didn't get up to his true level till much later in his career.

[Johnnyrotten]

23 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I've said before that he will end up as a midfielder. It's not vital to have pace as a midfielder. It's what level he can get to though.

I'm struggling to think of a left midfielder without pace.  Central midfield I agree, pace isn't necessary (Sheehan etc).  Conway doesn't have the ability to play central midfield above L2 IMO.  He's a left back.

[Johnnyrotten]

26 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Agreed not got the pace to be a wing back 

Or the positional nous to defend as a full back

What he can do is run all day,tackle and pick a pass everything you need in a midfielder

Everyone in the squad can run all day (except Dalby).

His tackling is OK, but no better than anyone else, and worse than quite a few.

He can pick a pass I agree, certainly better than Tutu for eg, but he can do that from LB, because if we're playing at champ or top end L1 level we'll always have a playmaker and tackler better than Conway, but we might not have a better LB with his skill and vision.

[Alf Hartigan]

11 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'm struggling to think of a left midfielder without pace.  Central midfield I agree, pace isn't necessary (Sheehan etc).  Conway doesn't have the ability to play central midfield above L2 IMO.  He's a left back.

Course he does and I'm going to take Gonzo up on his bet about 5 appearances. 
 

Whatever position 😄

Edited Sunday at 21:38 by Alf Hartigan
The position bit

[maje]

I didn't think Conway was that bad last season and he will do a job for us in the championship I feel. The stats seem to back it up anyway

[maje]

Also seen somewhere been linked with bringing back fossey. Probably nothing in it but I think his contract is up at liege and harkin was the one who signed him for them?? Thoughts??

[Dr. Feelgood]

Anyway Max. Well done on your season with us. Congratulations. Despite being a bit shit.

 

What does Horwich reckon ?

[Krimzon]

Im not sure whats going on but ive agreed with @masi 51 and disagreed with @gonzo for about the second time in 6 years . 

Its the end of days . Ill be outside looking for a Blood Red Sky and a Moon on fire. 

[Cheese]

18 minutes ago, maje said:

Also seen somewhere been linked with bringing back fossey. Probably nothing in it but I think his contract is up at liege and harkin was the one who signed him for them?? Thoughts??

Some cock on twitter making things up. Similar to the cock who claimed Charlton were paying us 950k to sign Tutu, who isn't even our player any more. Social media is a fucking swamp of morons.

[Rival Son]

I think a lot of people are viewing the full back position in its traditional sense, rather than what SS has said he wants from his full backs. He wants them to be very attacking, up there and beyond/overlapping his wingers.

This suited both Conway and Tutu, but does leave us vulnerable to space in behind. To counter this, is the expectation is that the wingers provide cover when the full backs are forward.

ACD did this very well. Gale was horrendous at doing this and, while Cissoko was a little better, he was also lacking. This is one of the reasons why Conway is receiving the greater share of criticism.

The other is recency bias. Tutu massively upped his performances over the last 4 or 5 matches (when it mattered, to be fair). However, in my opinion, for the majority of the season, Tutu looked the much weaker link at full back.

[frank_spencer]

2 hours ago, masi 51 said:

No he only bought one....the rest we loaned to do a job

Do you think we are going to West Ham, boro and Southampton with two wingers??

I wouldn't especially as the only winger still on the books is Gale.

But going off last season his preferred tactic is 2 wingers with the defensive mindset being 1 striker and an extra midfielder rather than 5 at the back what both of us would seemingly prefer.

[pfk505]

Can't believe the pelters Conway is getting on here

He will make it in the Championship eventually. We didn't get promoted to the prem ffs. 

[onefinfrandsen]

3 hours ago, pfk505 said:

Can't believe the pelters Conway is getting on here

He will make it in the Championship eventually. We didn't get promoted to the prem ffs. 

It was always going to be a learning curve for him this season, has looked really good in periods but struggled the latter end, may have been the physical side of it. Looking back at the replay of the final he actually had one of his better games.

[masi 51]

6 hours ago, Krimzon said:

Im not sure whats going on but ive agreed with @masi 51 and disagreed with @gonzo for about the second time in 6 years . 

Its the end of days . Ill be outside looking for a Blood Red Sky and a Moon on fire. 

Nothing wrong with being right twice in six years embrace the new you lol

Dont think anyone is saying Conway is a bad player his stats tell you he is one of the best, but not as a left back that is only my opinion

[desperado]

7 hours ago, maje said:

I didn't think Conway was that bad last season and he will do a job for us in the championship I feel. The stats seem to back it up anyway

 

6 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Nothing wrong with being right twice in six years embrace the new you lol

Dont think anyone is saying Conway is a bad player his stats tell you he is one of the best, but not as a left back that is only my opinion

But those stats are comparing him against fellow left backs.

If we are using those stats to judge him, they’re telling you he was one of the best left backs in L1. 

I suspect they wouldn’t look as good if they were being compared to L1 left midfielders. 

[masi 51]

1 minute ago, desperado said:

 

But those stats are comparing him against fellow left backs.

If we are using those stats to judge him, they’re telling you he was one of the best left backs in L1. 

I suspect they wouldn’t look as good if they were being compared to L1 left midfielders. 

Those stats read them are all about his attacking part of his game. Nothing about his number one priority

Where are tackles won, headers won......All those stats point him to being a midfielder

I suspect if they put how many times he was caught out of position that would be right up there.

He is a talent that is for sure but not at left back.

[desperado]

7 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Those stats read them are all about his attacking part of his game. Nothing about his number one priority

Where are tackles won, headers won......All those stats point him to being a midfielder

I suspect if they put how many times he was caught out of position that would be right up there.

He is a talent that is for sure but not at left back.

So you agree with me then and you didn’t quite get it right on your original post 😊

Those stats don’t tell you how many times he was caught out at LB.

So “the stats tell you he was one of the best” (your phrase about comparative L1 left backs) doesn’t really work. As I said those attacking stats against the best L1 midfielders wouldn’t look as good. 

[masi 51]

11 minutes ago, desperado said:

So you agree with me then and you didn’t quite get it right on your original post 😊

Those stats don’t tell you how many times he was caught out at LB.

So “the stats tell you he was one of the best” (your phrase about comparative L1 left backs) doesn’t really work. As I said those attacking stats against the best L1 midfielders wouldn’t look as good. 

Those stats are all attacking based compared with other left backs. If he played in midfield his stats would be off the scale compared with someone like EE, but would probably be behind RR

Stats do not tell you the true picture....They had Toal and GJ as the most touches of any players in lge one yet that is what hindered us at times.

Edited yesterday at 05:59 by masi 51

[desperado]

3 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Those stats are all attacking based compared with other left backs. If he played in midfield his stats would be off the scale compared with someone like EE, but would probably be behind RR

Stats tell lies....They had Toal and GJ as the most touches of any players in lge one yet that is what hindered us at times.

The stats tell lies, yet you told us, quoting those stats, that he’s one of the best 😂

Its ok you know, to admit you didn’t get it right first time.

You’ve gone on to qualify it’s about his attacking stats and that against other midfielders they wouldn’t quite stack up.  The point I was making 😘

[masi 51]

2 minutes ago, desperado said:

The stats tell lies, yet you told us, quoting those stats, that he’s one of the best 😂

Its ok you know, to admit you didn’t get it right first time.

You’ve gone on to qualify it’s about his attacking stats and that against other midfielders they wouldn’t quite stack up.  The point I was making 😘

no you think he will be our left back next season. I am telling you he wont and why he wont.

It is not about you or me but SS and he has chosen to play a centre half he knew he was releasing  there instead

His stats are amongst the best at attacking for a left back but his defending is woeful because he gets caught out up the field time and time again. Moving him into midfield is the logical solution

[desperado]

21 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

no you think he will be our left back next season

You’re just making stuff up now to steer the conversation in a different direction (which is fine, I’ll accept this as you got it wrong first off 😉)

So let’s move onto your other point. 

FWIW (because I’ve never once said “he will be our LB next season”) I think we’ll definitely be in the market for another championship LB, one who SS will probably see as our number 1 (similar to how he brought in Taylor last year)

If we get somebody who stays fit and  surpasses Conway at LB pre-season we might not see him play many games.

However if we see something similar to last year, that when MC gets his chance, he takes it well, we may see him play a bigger role.

Those stats suggest to me, that as an attacking LB he’s got real potential. Looks ok on duels too. IMO he needs to sort out his positional play and he needs to have some protection if we are to see him at LB next season. 

Edited yesterday at 06:31 by desperado

[masi 51]

Dress it up how you want i said that you said this. We can only see once the season starts or at least pre-season.

I will stick with my thoughts and views