Transfer Gossip

[gonzo]

27 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

Is Adam Le Fondre still around anywhere?

Would do a job till end of the season i reckon.

Played last night 

[Gonk]

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Edited January 15, 2025 by Gonk

[woolli]

12 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

You’d expect so but he commented this morning his intention to spend “across the squad” which could mean anything. I think with this clown you could imagine that not being what we all realise we need?

I cant believe we are being linked to two more midfielders, but, yes, probably true with this clown in charge!  Mind boggling!

[DaveTheRave]

32 minutes ago, Wiso said:

Is the rumour that Dion nutted Evatt true, or just terrace folklore?

The only thing Dion nutted in his time with us was a couple Bolton slags.

[Zico]

“The one thing we have always tried to do here as a collective, myself and the board – and it’s always a subjective industry – but we have tried to do right by the club, financially."

How much did we turn down for Vic from Turkey?

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

if the board / manager have forced this move they better have a replacement lined up and ready to sign

I was reminiscing this morning...

Didn't Todd jack it in because Hargreaves pushed through the sale of Frandsen to Blackburn?

This led to a boardroom upset and Hargreaves got replaced by Gartside and he brought in Big Sam?

I suppose the difference here is that IE has agreed with the sale of Charles to an immediate competitor

[Tonge moor green jacket]

56 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

We have a lot in our fan base who latch onto certain types and cut them a lot more slack, because they're a socks down baller and they can come up with a catchy song about them. Some players these days are also cleverer than others at getting those types of fans onside. 

Charles has largely (and quite reasonably) had a good ride from our fan base, but easy now for some to pick holes in what he did (a lot of pens, cup goals, blah blah, constantly missed sitters). Collins and McAtee have been cut plenty of that slack over recent weeks, Charles less so, Vic absolutely not.

Charles has his flaws, or he wouldn't be at the level he is. I suspect in a team that plays in a way that suits him, he'll still miss an odd sitter, still look like he's playing on cobbles with the ball at his feet, but will score at least as many as he's done for us. His goals for us have needed scoring, some have been belters and he has stepped up for the pens. 

Collins may well go on to get 20 goals this season, but half of them might have been in the Pizza Cup, against u21s and half strength L2 sides in games with less intensity and pressure. I don't imagine the same holes will be picked in his record. If he steps up with performances and goals next time we play Wrexham, Brum, Stockport etc, good for him, I'll enjoy holding my hand up. 

McAtee's a discussion for another time. 

 

Collins has had plenty of grief on here.

Every bit as much as Charles.

[Horwich]

12 minutes ago, Zico said:

“The one thing we have always tried to do here as a collective, myself and the board – and it’s always a subjective industry – but we have tried to do right by the club, financially."

How much did we turn down for Vic from Turkey?

And Thomasson

[ianofcleveleys]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Collins has had plenty of grief on here.

Every bit as much as Charles.

Without doubt, people on here are largely more balanced, a bit sharper and more perceptive, was thinking really about a lot of what I've seen in the mad world of Twitter and at times in the stadium. 

Been the way since the year dot, fans have their favourites and ones they don't like, it just feels a bit more extreme nowadays. 

[Horwich]

As everyday passes, I feel like he doesn’t have a clue.

We have not really played “well” all season.

 

Evatt thinks otherwise 

[Cheese]

Just now, Horwich said:

And Thomasson

Thomason turned it down. And I highly doubt anyone ever offered £1M for Adeboyejo.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, ianofcleveleys said:

Without doubt, people on here are largely more balanced, a bit sharper and more perceptive, was thinking really about a lot of what I've seen in the mad world of Twitter and at times in the stadium. 

Been the way since the year dot, fans have their favourites and ones they don't like, it just feels a bit more extreme nowadays. 

Leave Twatter alone.

Evatt was right about this. 

It's injurious to your health! 😁

[Big E]

35 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Thomason turned it down. And I highly doubt anyone ever offered £1M for Adeboyejo.

Don’t let that get in the way of @Horwich being angry with Thomason 

[meanderson93]

Khumbeni is back from his loan. I'd rather give him an opportunity than some crock that can't get a game for Charlton. 

[ianofcleveleys]

7 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

Khumbeni is back from his loan. I'd rather give him an opportunity than some crock that can't get a game for Charlton. 

Watched him at Fleetwood the other week, did pretty well, solid game in a hectic, hurly burly sort of match. Step up to L1 another matter of course but done himself no harm in that loan, by the sound of it

[burnden]

 

[Johnnyrotten]

13 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said:

I'm trying to be considered, wait till the end of the month and see what other business we've done before wading in on this, but can't resist 🙄. 

Charles has bagged 20 twice despite not being a natural poacher and us never really playing to his strengths. Easy for those clapping it as good business to deride his pens and cup goals, pens still need someone to step forward and score them, they're not free hits. It's also likely Collins will score this season the 20 goals Dion's managed, but if half of them are in the Pizza Cup I won't be getting overly excited. 

For what it's worth I think Collins is a more talented player and a better finisher but needs to turn up and start bagging regularly in big games against big teams. 

I would have said Charles was a natural poacher, I suppose its not black and white, but I'd have had him down as a poacher more than any other player under IE probably.  I'm not deriding pens, I'm saying they can be achieved equally by someone else.  I don't see how this is in question, a team gets a pen, someone steps up and about 80% of them are converted - I was grateful for those that Charles scored, frustrated at the one's he missed and whatever pens we get in the rest of the season I'd expect the ratio to be at least maintained.  

You did say don't deride the cup goals then sort of contradicted it by saying if half Collins goals are in the cup you won't be getting excited.  Neither will I - we need him to score league goals, and the same applied to Charles, that's why he was never a 20 goal striker in my book, but happy for others to say he was, as long as they count cup goals for everyone.  Even JDB was in double figures last season and he was permanently injured 😀

Couldn't agree more on Collins - just like Charles he's not doing it in the big games, I don't care what he does against kids and reserves.

[DazBob]

To replace Charles we don't necessarily need a like-for-like replacement.

We don't need someone who runs around like a dog chasing a ball around in the park, what we do need though is a striker who can keep hold of the ball.

Edited January 15, 2025 by DazBob

[Johnnyrotten]

5 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Dion scored a goal every two and a half games for us (2.55). Collins is going at over three (3.1)). I'd say that's significant enough, especially when you factor in what else Collins brings to the table (absolutely fuck all on this season's evidence).

I don't think they are much of a muchness, Dion is a better player. But then this wasn't a football decision seemingly, it was because he fell out with a manager who shouldn't be here. That's the disappointing part.

Agreed Collins doesn't score enough league goals, no argument from me.  I was just questioning the "20 goal" striker thing, which Charles only gets near to if cups and pens are included.  To replace him we aren't looking for someone to score 20, we're looking for someone to bag some important league goals especially in the bigger games.  They can have a rest when the cups come round and let someone else take pens, just provide a dozen or so league goals and step up occasionally when we have a big game.  And retain possession better.

We all see players differently, I'll respectfully disagree on Charles being a better player (aside from goals), I think he's very limited, Collins has more ability but does have a nasty habit of disappearing for entire games at a time! But on form, he's well ahead of any other of our strikers IMO.

[boltonboris]

2 hours ago, Horwich said:

And Thomasson

We accepted the bid for Thomason which was around a Million squidleys apparently

It was Thomason who rejected the move, in order to stay, which is nice.

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said:

We have a lot in our fan base who latch onto certain types and cut them a lot more slack, because they're a socks down baller and they can come up with a catchy song about them. Some players these days are also cleverer than others at getting those types of fans onside. 

Charles has largely (and quite reasonably) had a good ride from our fan base, but easy now for some to pick holes in what he did (a lot of pens, cup goals, blah blah, constantly missed sitters). Collins and McAtee have been cut plenty of that slack over recent weeks, Charles less so, Vic absolutely not.

Charles has his flaws, or he wouldn't be at the level he is. I suspect in a team that plays in a way that suits him, he'll still miss an odd sitter, still look like he's playing on cobbles with the ball at his feet, but will score at least as many as he's done for us. His goals for us have needed scoring, some have been belters and he has stepped up for the pens. 

Collins may well go on to get 20 goals this season, but half of them might have been in the Pizza Cup, against u21s and half strength L2 sides in games with less intensity and pressure. I don't imagine the same holes will be picked in his record. If he steps up with performances and goals next time we play Wrexham, Brum, Stockport etc, good for him, I'll enjoy holding my hand up. 

McAtee's a discussion for another time. 

 

Agree with all of that, especially about half Collins goals being in less pressurised games - its annoying that they all get counted as one when a player's stats are compiled.  Scoring away at Barnsley is given the same credit as at home v Villa kids.  As you say it would make a very nice change if we noticed him away at Wrexham, or home to Brum.

[Eddie]

5 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

We accepted the bid for Thomason which was around a Million squidleys apparently

It was Thomason who rejected the move, in order to stay, which is nice.

And immediately transformed him from a bit part player to league 1’s answer to Steven Gerrard without even stepping on the pitch.

[Eddie]

35 minutes ago, DazBob said:

To replace Charles we don't necessarily need a like-fpr-like replacement.

We don't need someone who runs around like a dog chasing a ball around in the park, what we do need though is a striker who can keep hold of the ball.

Yes please! Big lad who is a genuine target man, occupies defenders, wins flick ons, causes clearing headers to fall short - ultimate aim of making life as easy as possible for Collins next to him.

[ianofcleveleys]

35 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I would have said Charles was a natural poacher, I suppose its not black and white, but I'd have had him down as a poacher more than any other player under IE probably.  I'm not deriding pens, I'm saying they can be achieved equally by someone else.  I don't see how this is in question, a team gets a pen, someone steps up and about 80% of them are converted - I was grateful for those that Charles scored, frustrated at the one's he missed and whatever pens we get in the rest of the season I'd expect the ratio to be at least maintained.  

You did say don't deride the cup goals then sort of contradicted it by saying if half Collins goals are in the cup you won't be getting excited.  Neither will I - we need him to score league goals, and the same applied to Charles, that's why he was never a 20 goal striker in my book, but happy for others to say he was, as long as they count cup goals for everyone.  Even JDB was in double figures last season and he was permanently injured 😀

Couldn't agree more on Collins - just like Charles he's not doing it in the big games, I don't care what he does against kids and reserves.

What I was trying to get at, I suppose, was if the Twitterati are picking those holes in Charles record, the same thing ought to be borne in mind with Collins's numbers, just for balance. 

I recall saying a while back that Charles was a 20 goal a season striker despite not, in my eyes, being a natural finisher and us never really playing to his strengths. He has got the odd few where he's been sharp in the box onto a bouncing ball but much of the time he doesn't get into that 'corridor of uncertainty' around 6-8 yards out, more often hanging back 10-12 yards out for a cutback, or looking to be put in by a combination around the edge of the box. Much of that no doubt down to what's been drummed into him about our system, will be interesting to see how he gets on at Hudds, in a different way of playing. 

[Steejay]

22 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

We accepted the bid for Thomason which was around a Million squidleys apparently

It was Thomason who rejected the move, in order to stay, which is nice.

Not really. I’d rather have had the £1m.