Moderators Zico Posted July 23, 2018 Moderators Share Posted July 23, 2018 I think all you commies and nazis are all as bad as each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 23, 2018 Members Share Posted July 23, 2018 I think all you commies and nazis are all as bad as each other On this I am sure most of us agree. Horseshoe theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 https://countrysquire.co.uk/2018/07/21/from-remain-to-out-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueInteresting article from Country Squire... On this I am sure most of us agree. Horseshoe theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 https://countrysquire.co.uk/2018/07/21/from-remain-to-out-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueInteresting article from Country Squire... He pretty much sums up my feelings on the EU there. It's the uncertainty in leaving that's the killer though. Still, Britain has always done OK, i'm fairly confident . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Might give it a go NIC - I'm also pretty confused as to why something can't necessarily work because it didn't necessarily work 40 odd years ago.The book mentioned was written by a Guardian Journalist who was born in 1969. So to answer your original question, your better listening to people like me and Bolty, as unpalatable as that might be.???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I do think that the left are generally less tolerant of free speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 Ongoing situation in Manchester https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hilton-deansgate-police-woman-attacked-14941081.amp?__twitter_impression=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 I do think that the left are generally less tolerant of free speech Classic example of the hypocrisy of the left.... https://mobile.twitter.com/ISupport_Israel/status/1021007331390304261 Where’s all the protests from the left and feminists today against this person ? Care to comment NIC, Kent White, bwfcfan5, Owen fucking Jones my arse ? Is Jones organising a protest march ? Is he fuck !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Regular gibberish correspondent e2e4 is away for defragmentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) I do think that the left are generally less tolerant of free speechI disagree, I have a new role wherein one day a week I encounter 'the public' - I hear all sorts of clueless bigoted claptrap and merely give a noncommittal "hmm..." in response. The idea that 'free speech' gets shut down in everyday practise is bollocks, British folk are generally just too polite, especially in deference to elders, to do this. Edited July 23, 2018 by Youri McAnespie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Classic example of the hypocrisy of the left.... https://mobile.twitter.com/ISupport_Israel/status/1021007331390304261 Where’s all the protests from the left and feminists today against this person ? Care to comment NIC, Kent White, bwfcfan5, Owen fucking Jones my arse ? Is Jones organising a protest march ? Is he fuck !!! London Muslim mayor welcomes the gays' beheader, Emir of Qatar BUT not President Trump - Free Speech Time - https://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=Qatar Not saying he's not a cunt, like. But why overegg the pudding? Edited July 23, 2018 by Youri McAnespie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) I do think that the left are generally less tolerant of free speech I'd agree - as it stands. I don't seem to remember it always being like that though? The old school 'Speak English in the presence of an Englishman' type mindset being one I remember from my youth. I honestly think the youth have been schooled into believing liberal/left wing doctrines are absolute, therefore any criticism can be met with ridicule or doesn't deserve to be given consideration. Liberal fascism, if you will. It's why folk like Jordan Peterson need to be given more air time as a sane and rational counter to this idiocy and hypocrisy. At least the far right call a spade a spade. See what I did there? Edited July 23, 2018 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I'd agree - as it stands. I don't seem to remember it always being like that though? The old school 'Speak English in the presence of an Englishman' type mindset being one I remember from my youth. I honestly think the youth have been schooled into believing liberal/left wing doctrines are absolute, therefore any criticism can be met with ridicule or doesn't deserve to be given consideration. Liberal fascism, if you will. It's why folk like Jordan Peterson need to be given more air time as a sane and rational counter to this idiocy and hypocrisy. At least the far right call a spade a spade. See what I did there? This is absolute, unadulterated nonsense. The fact people believe this really worries me. There is no liberal or left wing doctrine. It simply doesn't exist. The right wing dominated British media have been saying whatever the hell they like for decades and decades and very rarely has anyone ever bothered to stand up to them. When they do and their abhorrent behaviour is revealed we suddenly get a not-so-subtle effort to subvert the conversation to one of "PC gone mad" and "left wing liberal elite thought control". Much of this is societal too. What people think is or isn't acceptable is often led by large scale societal changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Ongoing situation in Manchester https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hilton-deansgate-police-woman-attacked-14941081.amp?__twitter_impression=true What is the relevance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 What is the relevance ? None whatsoever....just couldn’t be arsed starting a new thread on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 This is absolute, unadulterated nonsense. The fact people believe this really worries me. There is no liberal or left wing doctrine. It simply doesn't exist. The right wing dominated British media have been saying whatever the hell they like for decades and decades and very rarely has anyone ever bothered to stand up to them. When they do and their abhorrent behaviour is revealed we suddenly get a not-so-subtle effort to subvert the conversation to one of "PC gone mad" and "left wing liberal elite thought control". Much of this is societal too. What people think is or isn't acceptable is often led by large scale societal changes. I was reading that and agreeing then remembered the Rotherham child abuse. That was a liberal mindset failing to protect children because of the race/religious element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I was reading that and agreeing then remembered the Rotherham child abuse. That was a liberal mindset failing to protect children because of the race/religious element. It is way, way more complex than that. We've failed to protect children for a long time in an awful lot of scenarios. As a nation, we are spectacularly poor at it. Of course some element of the issue was fear amongst the authorities of being labelled "racist". Equally not all the failings came down to that. Even so, this isn't some national liberal doctrine that has been prescribed by some weird liberal totalitarian figurehead. This is a complex web of societal, political and individual issues at play all contributing to how we as a society react to things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I don't suppose anyone listened to the link I posted. it very much tackles the failures of liberals to address issues, as the doctrine of the right to over exploit them to their own ends. we very much have a very concerned white, older middle aged public scared that their alpha position in society is being threatened, unearned or not. They're not defending anything but their own positions under the guise of standing up against a 'common enemy' - which is why you get 'all Muslims bad' nonsense. Folk get to hide their real opinions behind some sort of skewed moral justification, and the internet gives it a voice. 'liberal facisim' comes from a feeling when certain people want to behave in a certain way and generally society says, well, actually that's not really acceptable anymore. Gay men can kiss each other in the street, different religions can have places of worship, the workplace should be a meritocracy. This doesn't cause the last days of Rome, except for those who feel it upsets their pre-eminent place in society. It doesn't mean you have to stop being men, stop liking women, stop drinking beer and stop watching football. Its just there are other voices allowed, and just because you bellow loudest and longest, doesn't mean your voice is the only one that should be heard. Sorry, about that. Its not liberals who are 'doing this to you'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 You’ve nailed it Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 You’ve nailed it Howard. HiC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I don't suppose anyone listened to the link I posted. it very much tackles the failures of liberals to address issues, as the doctrine of the right to over exploit them to their own ends. we very much have a very concerned white, older middle aged public scared that their alpha position in society is being threatened, unearned or not. They're not defending anything but their own positions under the guise of standing up against a 'common enemy' - which is why you get 'all Muslims bad' nonsense. Folk get to hide their real opinions behind some sort of skewed moral justification, and the internet gives it a voice. 'liberal facisim' comes from a feeling when certain people want to behave in a certain way and generally society says, well, actually that's not really acceptable anymore. Gay men can kiss each other in the street, different religions can have places of worship, the workplace should be a meritocracy. This doesn't cause the last days of Rome, except for those who feel it upsets their pre-eminent place in society. It doesn't mean you have to stop being men, stop liking women, stop drinking beer and stop watching football. Its just there are other voices allowed, and just because you bellow loudest and longest, doesn't mean your voice is the only one that should be heard. Sorry, about that. Its not liberals who are 'doing this to you'. This. Far more eloquently than I could say it. But this is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 What you have to remember that this is a place where generally white working class men 30 and above post so the general tone is always going to be as it is. Doesn’t mean it is wrong or right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 What you have to remember that this is a place where generally white working class men 30 and above post so the general tone is always going to be as it is. Doesn’t mean it is wrong or right. So there ain't just one view of the world that we all have to conform to? Fuck me, there's a revelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Another reason to dislike that plum Rees-Mogg https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jacob-rees-mogg-interview-with-channel-4-news-1-5619425 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-economy-brexit_uk_5b54e3b5e4b0de86f48e3566?guccounter=1 Could take up to 50 years before we see the benefits. Brill Edited July 23, 2018 by Sweep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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