Politics

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

The anti growth coalition were the visionaries who pulled us out of trading arrangements with our largest single trading partner and presided over the likely breakup of the UK. 

None so blind as those who will not see......

After sorting the economy I am looking forward to Truss impact on the NI protocol and Scottish independence debates🙈

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

One of the main issues is that its a completely divided party, whereas the Conservatives are usually very good at shutting up and pulling in one direction to win elections, Brexit allowed an otherwise marginal wing of the party to take over, you've got now One-Nationists, Popularists and whatever this is under Truss I don't know...erm...the Greenwich Mentalists? All pulling in different directions. Its like when Labour pulls itself apart of the endlessly dull Centrists vs Left debate.

They will pull themselves together a bit with a new leader I would have thought but people won't forget the last 12 months very quickly.

Oh and Bolty will be fine about it - its the left wing media agenda that's causing all this bother. If Labour do win the next GE, the first misstep he's going to be all over this thread like a blue rash. Labour getting in is a win/win for the visionaries in many ways - they can blame them that Brexit is a mess. Lovely stuff!

The current predicament they find themselves in has parallels with the Labour Party in 2015 in that the membership has elected a leader the Parlaimentary party doesn't support.

Even disregarding Truss' rank incompetence, it's practically impossible for any PM to govern without the majority support of their party.

I'm surprised the usually Tory party machine didn't foresee such an obvious potential fuck-up.

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The current predicament they find themselves in has parallels with the Labour Party in 2015 in that the membership has elected a leader the Parlaimentary party doesn't support.

Even disregarding Truss' rank incompetence, it's practically impossible for any PM to govern without the majority support of their party.

I'm surprised the usually Tory party machine didn't foresee such an obvious potential fuck-up.

Perhaps they didn’t believe she’d follow through on her PM election promises. 

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know our current trade with EU is at its highest levels ever.

God bless you Mounts. If there was a war I;d want to be in the trenches with you. 

You'd find a positive in being shelled - ''At least the explosions are keeping us warm.''

[Casino]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know our current trade with EU is at its highest levels ever.

i didn't, no

show us a graph?

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The current predicament they find themselves in has parallels with the Labour Party in 2015 in that the membership has elected a leader the Parlaimentary party doesn't support.

Even disregarding Truss' rank incompetence, it's practically impossible for any PM to govern without the majority support of their party.

I'm surprised the usually Tory party machine didn't foresee such an obvious potential fuck-up.

Well they changed the rules to mirror the Labour party leadership elections bringing in the membership. This is one of the problems with doing it that way - for any party.

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Perhaps they didn’t believe she’d follow through on her PM election promises. 

But broadly a lot of MPs supported her election promises. Just because they are retracting now, don't let that fool you.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Perhaps they didn’t believe she’d follow through on her PM election promises. 

I didn't mean her specifically, just the process of having a vote of their MPs to whittle it down to the final two candidates and then a vote of the membership on those two candidates.

If the membership vote against the Parlaimentary parties favourite, as they did, it results in a right mess.

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

i didn't, no

show us a graph?

You can just go on the ONS website; https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/may2022#:~:text=Total exports of goods increased,to rising prices in 2022.

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You do know our current trade with EU is at its highest levels ever.

Imports, exports or both?

[jmjhb]

36 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I wonder if even @bolty58is a bit embarrassed by what's happening to the Tory Party at the minute. 

I think the best thing they can do now, is call a GE, and take their medicine. My worry is that the longer they hold on, the worse it gets, and I want them to get back to being the Party that they're supposed to be.

 

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

i didn't, no

show us a graph?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284750/united-kingdom-uk-total-eu-trade-in-goods-by-trade-value/

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You can just go on the ONS website; https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/may2022#:~:text=Total exports of goods increased,to rising prices in 2022.

And if you can be bothered to look at the caveats to the data; https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/articles/impactoftradeingoodsdatacollectionchangesonuktradestatistics/2021to2022

Caution should be taken when interpreting these data as HM Revenue and Customs changed the collection methods for EU trade from January 2022.

[Sweep]

Did I hear that BMW have decided to pull production of the EV mini out of the UK, and put it in Germany and China instead? - I honestly don't know if that's because of Brexit or not, but it's not good news at all.

[royal white]

At least Boris has gone 

[Not in Crawley]

Interesting position in the The Times from today's The Knowledge email;

The problem for the Conservatives, says James Kirkup in The Times, is that to get growth going they’ll have to reverse their stance on two key issues: immigration and housing. With our ageing population, Britain’s economy is “only going to need more labour”. Big Business knows this – at the Tory conference, the boss of one of Britain’s biggest companies told Truss acolytes he was moving operations to countries “where I can find the workers I need”. As for housing, the Conservatives have to accept that eternally rising house prices – and the inequality they’re causing – are “a problem, not a blessing”. Addressing these issues will require some fairly “unconservative” policymaking. But there are some global trends governments can’t control. “Parties claiming they can stand in the way of such forces only end up crushed beneath their wheels.”  

 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

At least Boris has gone 

Correct, every cloud and all that 👍

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Interesting position in the The Times from today's The Knowledge email;

The problem for the Conservatives, says James Kirkup in The Times, is that to get growth going they’ll have to reverse their stance on two key issues: immigration and housing. With our ageing population, Britain’s economy is “only going to need more labour”. Big Business knows this – at the Tory conference, the boss of one of Britain’s biggest companies told Truss acolytes he was moving operations to countries “where I can find the workers I need”. As for housing, the Conservatives have to accept that eternally rising house prices – and the inequality they’re causing – are “a problem, not a blessing”. Addressing these issues will require some fairly “unconservative” policymaking. But there are some global trends governments can’t control. “Parties claiming they can stand in the way of such forces only end up crushed beneath their wheels.”  

 

within 12-18 months, no matter who is in power, they'll announce a reciprocal "freedom of movement" deal with the EU    

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

At least Boris has gone 

A Tory on BBC News earlier described Nadine Dorries' "Bring Back Boris" comments as "she missed her calling as a Japanese soldier in World War 2". He's gone. Get over it.

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

A Tory on BBC News earlier described Nadine Dorries' "Bring Back Boris" comments as "she missed her calling as a Japanese soldier in World War 2". He's gone. Get over it.

😂👍

[Spider]

23 minutes ago, royal white said:

At least Boris has gone 

Yep

And whilst the squabbling continues, the Tories still have every chance to turn this around without him and his fucking dreadful grifters around.

We live in hope.

[Spider]

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

At least Boris has gone 

Would you like us to organise a life size cutout of Boris for your bedroom?

You seem to be missing him terribly and we’re a family on here, and we standby ready to help in your torment.

Just say the word.

[Farrelli]

32 minutes ago, royal white said:

At least Boris has gone 

Did you mean to post that here or the mental health section ? 

[Casino]

48 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284750/united-kingdom-uk-total-eu-trade-in-goods-by-trade-value/

I didnt realise you meant the deficit was at an historical high

Doesnt surprise me

[Nowack]

She is sending Mordaunt in to do her dirty work; she will be hiding in a fridge next.