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[Casino]

Thats just brand new and just first year?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

Thats just brand new and just first year?

Yep. But has some knock on effects. The big problem is that EVs already more expensive than petrol cars by what appears to be a widening margin will be attracting the luxury car tax. Something the Tories introduced but exempted EVs from.
 

Thats £410 a year (for 5 years) for any car over £40K. Most family EVs will easily be over £40K. And of course now they aren’t exempt in theory the VED changes redress some of the imbalance by adding £600 onto the cost of a new ICE car. 

All this in a market where vast majority are paying on finance deals. Not up front. I mean who buys a Renault EV outright? In a market that is seriously struggling due to higher supply costs (and has for a long time) and of course cheap Chinese competition. Those that control supply are king here. £34 a month extra for an ev that already is more expensive than a petrol car by a considerable margin but is potentially going to be be even more difficult for the manufacturers to navigate.

It’s almost all the fault of past governments and the manufacturers themselves but this change on top doesn’t help and I do worry that European car manufacturing may die in the next few years entirely. 

[Sweep]

40 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I do worry that European car manufacturing may die in the next few years entirely. 

If EV is the future, and I'm not convinced that it is, then the big German brand will still survive, but the rest of the European cat industry will die off within a decade or two, we just can't compete

At last count, I think China had something like 75% of Lithium Ion factories, nevermind the massive stranglehold they have on all the other components required 

Edited December 23, 2024 by Sweep

[Winchester White]

Just now, Sweep said:

If EV is the future, and I'm not convinced that it is, then the big German brand will still survive, but the rest of the European cat industry will die off within a decade or two, we just can't compete

Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi are looking at merging in order to compete.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

If EV is the future, and I'm not convinced that it is, then the big German brand will still survive, but the rest of the European cat industry will die off within a decade or two, we just can't compete

The big German brands are pretty vulnerable I’d say. 

[Sweep]

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Honda, Nissan and Mitsubishi are looking at merging in order to compete.

I've heard, and they're all Japanese so they'd have to do some major cost cutting to compete with the likes of BYD and GAC. It also doesn't help the European manufactures moving forward

[Traf]

15 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

Opinions. Where would we be without them? 

In the Army or police force.

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The big German brands are pretty vulnerable I’d say. 

I think Merc, Audi and BMW will be relatively OK, as they're still pretty desirable in the Far East. I do find it odd how they've been left so far behind in the EV market though

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

I think Merc, Audi and BMW will be relatively OK, as they're still pretty desirable in the Far East. I do find it odd how they've been left so far behind in the EV market though

Mercedes is already reporting big financial trouble and Audi are part of the VW group that is failing.

BMW I think are set for the same issues with their recent performance not looking too hot either.

Honestly I think these are all in big trouble because EVs whether anyone likes it or not will be the future (until there is another viable tech) and China has stolen a massive march on affordable mass market ones. Traditional car brands count for nothing in the EU market as again Tesla have developed the apple style ‘luxury’ in demand brand here even if their cars are pretty bang average. But that’s set now. Tesla is synonymous with luxury EVs even if their actual products aren’t more than just mass market cars. A slew of affordable options are coming from China. And the big German brands continue to think that people care about their badge without an engine. They don’t. 
 

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by bwfcfan5

[Spider]

Brexit means we don’t have to worry about this type of thing.

[only1swanny]

4 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Mercedes is already reporting big financial trouble and Audi are part of the VW group that is failing.

BMW I think are set for the same issues with their recent performance not looking too hot either.

Honestly I think these are all in big trouble because EVs whether anyone likes it or not will be the future (until there is another viable tech) and China has stolen a massive march on affordable mass market ones. Traditional car brands count for nothing in the EU market as again Tesla have developed the apple style ‘luxury’ in demand brand here even if their cars are pretty bang average. But that’s set now. Tesla is synonymous with luxury EVs even if their actual products aren’t more than just mass market cars. A slew of affordable options are coming from China. And the big German brands continue to think that people care about their badge without an engine. They don’t. 
 

 

Mercedes are facing huge reliability issues, 

The Chinese cars like the MG look nice, but a lot of trust issues there, with companies like Hyundai and Kia having economy issues with the newer petrol engines. 

The issue is that EV's are only really designed to last about 5 years, seen a few on the second hand market but people don't want to risk it. Hybrids are very different. 

 

I was looking at a Renault Kadjar, A VW Tiguan, and a Citroen C4 Picasso.

Issue is that I need a car that can pull a 750kg trailer, good on fuel and a decent sized boot, 

I saw a Kadjar 160 bhp (1.3 engine so that's well over engineered), but it will only tow 745KG, and the trailers plated to 750, so that's a no go.

Looks like it might have to the the Tiguan. 

[Spider]

Just need the details off @PatrickBateman about exactly how Brexit sorts it.

[Cheese]

This thick cunt was sentenced to 2 and a half years today. HAHAHAHA 😁

 

[Winchester White]

26 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Mercedes are facing huge reliability issues, 

The Chinese cars like the MG look nice, but a lot of trust issues there, with companies like Hyundai and Kia having economy issues with the newer petrol engines. 

The issue is that EV's are only really designed to last about 5 years, seen a few on the second hand market but people don't want to risk it. Hybrids are very different. 

 

I was looking at a Renault Kadjar, A VW Tiguan, and a Citroen C4 Picasso.

Issue is that I need a car that can pull a 750kg trailer, good on fuel and a decent sized boot, 

I saw a Kadjar 160 bhp (1.3 engine so that's well over engineered), but it will only tow 745KG, and the trailers plated to 750, so that's a no go.

Looks like it might have to the the Tiguan. 

To be fair mate, a lot of what you have said is personal experience or maybe past experience?

EVs are not designed for 5 years at all, where you got that from I do not know.

160bhp from a 1.3 is not over engineered by any stretch, you need weight for towing as well as power, stick to a diesel for the torque if so inclined.

[Sweep]

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

Just need the details off @PatrickBateman about exactly how Brexit sorts it.

It's a big list he's doing for you, so it'll take him a while I suspect

[Winchester White]

Can someone remind me when Corporation tax went up?

Just asking for future reference.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Can someone remind me when Corporation tax went up?

Just asking for future reference.

We know all about that. Part of the opposition's criticism at the time.

All part of the balancing act between paying down debt and managing the economy.

Last thing to do is pile on more tax, as well as increase borrowing and spending, especially at a time when the economy is starting to move in a positive direction again.

CBI have just described it as the worst of all worlds. Hot on the heels of the the BoE said the budget will reduce growth.

It's also somewhat sad when your justification for the moves are that the previous government did similar, so its fine to do more.

 

[SatanGreavsie]

Serious question for once, and apologies if it's been done another thread. But looking at one football forum today started a dive in the rabbit hole of the Online Safety Act coming into play in a few months.

From Sunderland forum

Unless something changes in the Online Safety Act that is, as it is due to take full effect in March 2025.

RTG despite being relatively small falls foul of the majority of the conditions and continuing to provide the service will simply not be practical with the resources we have (both people and monetary wise).

In a nutshell, we have to do lots of risk assessments before that date, have lots of written procedures in place to deal with them, delete any content which is illegal, but also have a complaints process in place so that anyone who complains about their content being removed has that addressed promptly. We will also have to prevent children accessing the platform and put age verification measures in place and will have to scan uploaded content to check it isn't harmful. There is a whole lot more to it than that but hopefully you get the idea - it will all just be too onerous. The potential fine for not complying is up to £18 million or 10% of company turnover whichever is greater.
 

RTG - The end of the forum is nigh | RTG Sunderland Message Boards

 

A Boro site raises issues though sort of downplays the a bit. So what's the actual thingy going on?

Are we fined £18M if Cheese offers Bolty out by the club shop, Gonzo shows the cover of "A Fistful of Doggers" or an MP gets slagged off?

Are football forums about to be killed off by the Online Safety Act? | Page 4 | FMTTM

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Serious question for once, and apologies if it's been done another thread. But looking at one football forum today started a dive in the rabbit hole of the Online Safety Act coming into play in a few months.

From Sunderland forum

Unless something changes in the Online Safety Act that is, as it is due to take full effect in March 2025.

RTG despite being relatively small falls foul of the majority of the conditions and continuing to provide the service will simply not be practical with the resources we have (both people and monetary wise).

In a nutshell, we have to do lots of risk assessments before that date, have lots of written procedures in place to deal with them, delete any content which is illegal, but also have a complaints process in place so that anyone who complains about their content being removed has that addressed promptly. We will also have to prevent children accessing the platform and put age verification measures in place and will have to scan uploaded content to check it isn't harmful. There is a whole lot more to it than that but hopefully you get the idea - it will all just be too onerous. The potential fine for not complying is up to £18 million or 10% of company turnover whichever is greater.
 

RTG - The end of the forum is nigh | RTG Sunderland Message Boards

 

A Boro site raises issues though sort of downplays the a bit. So what's the actual thingy going on?

Are we fined £18M if Cheese offers Bolty out by the club shop, Gonzo shows the cover of "A Fistful of Doggers" or an MP gets slagged off?

Are football forums about to be killed off by the Online Safety Act? | Page 4 | FMTTM

I've never challenged anyone to a club shop meeting. I've had plenty of offers though.

[Winchester White]

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We know all about that. Part of the opposition's criticism at the time.

All part of the balancing act between paying down debt and managing the economy.

Last thing to do is pile on more tax, as well as increase borrowing and spending, especially at a time when the economy is starting to move in a positive direction again.

CBI have just described it as the worst of all worlds. Hot on the heels of the the BoE said the budget will reduce growth.

It's also somewhat sad when your justification for the moves are that the previous government did similar, so we its fine to do more.

 

To be fair, I don't actually agree with raising taxes if not required. But we are in an absolute shite state and it isn't getting any better any time soon.

When will some folk actually realise this is from years of austerity, you cannot grow from that, it is just managed decline.

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We know all about that. Part of the opposition's criticism at the time.

All part of the balancing act between paying down debt and managing the economy.

Last thing to do is pile on more tax, as well as increase borrowing and spending, especially at a time when the economy is starting to move in a positive direction again.

CBI have just described it as the worst of all worlds. Hot on the heels of the the BoE said the budget will reduce growth.

It's also somewhat sad when your justification for the moves are that the previous government did similar, so its fine to do more.

 

The BoE did not say the budget will reduce growth. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Mercedes are facing huge reliability issues, 

The Chinese cars like the MG look nice, but a lot of trust issues there, with companies like Hyundai and Kia having economy issues with the newer petrol engines. 

The issue is that EV's are only really designed to last about 5 years, seen a few on the second hand market but people don't want to risk it. Hybrids are very different. 

 

I was looking at a Renault Kadjar, A VW Tiguan, and a Citroen C4 Picasso.

Issue is that I need a car that can pull a 750kg trailer, good on fuel and a decent sized boot, 

I saw a Kadjar 160 bhp (1.3 engine so that's well over engineered), but it will only tow 745KG, and the trailers plated to 750, so that's a no go.

Looks like it might have to the the Tiguan. 

I’d not touch either of the French cars over the Tiguan to be honest. Tiguans are incredibly boring but I don’t think either of your other options are better in that regard and tiguans are solid. 
 

EVs last a lot longer than 5 years the nonsense about battery degradation is online misleading information as usual. They have their limitations for sure but the Chinese cars coming over from BYD etc and a slew to follow are blowing away pretty much all the EVs from traditional manufacturers and for a much lower price. 

[Spider]

1 hour ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Serious question for once, and apologies if it's been done another thread. But looking at one football forum today started a dive in the rabbit hole of the Online Safety Act coming into play in a few months.

From Sunderland forum

Unless something changes in the Online Safety Act that is, as it is due to take full effect in March 2025.

RTG despite being relatively small falls foul of the majority of the conditions and continuing to provide the service will simply not be practical with the resources we have (both people and monetary wise).

In a nutshell, we have to do lots of risk assessments before that date, have lots of written procedures in place to deal with them, delete any content which is illegal, but also have a complaints process in place so that anyone who complains about their content being removed has that addressed promptly. We will also have to prevent children accessing the platform and put age verification measures in place and will have to scan uploaded content to check it isn't harmful. There is a whole lot more to it than that but hopefully you get the idea - it will all just be too onerous. The potential fine for not complying is up to £18 million or 10% of company turnover whichever is greater.
 

RTG - The end of the forum is nigh | RTG Sunderland Message Boards

 

A Boro site raises issues though sort of downplays the a bit. So what's the actual thingy going on?

Are we fined £18M if Cheese offers Bolty out by the club shop, Gonzo shows the cover of "A Fistful of Doggers" or an MP gets slagged off?

Are football forums about to be killed off by the Online Safety Act? | Page 4 | FMTTM

We could raise £18million on here with a quick whip round of all our Crypto posters

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I hope it doesn't bring about the end of Battlenips

[dusan nikolic]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I hope it doesn't bring about the end of Battlenips

WTF