madthatter Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 When a Muslim terrorist drove into people on Westminster Bridge did you go through the same thought process and articulate on here ? If so please enlighten me. No. For pretty obvious reasons i'd have thought!? It happened because the fucked up logic of hatred and extremism of whatever type finds it easy to latch onto the disturbed and easily influenced mind of certain people. They then commit the most extreme actions in support of their views. Be that shooting an MP driving a car into innocent people or for whatever ideology their mind has been twisted by. I agree on the ideology of hatred bit . I've made that perfectly clear If you treat a white bloke driving into a bunch of lefties in anyway differently than Light brown folk driving into a bunch of tourists. You have issues. ( by 'you' I mean people generally not you specifically). I don't. What I am asking (which no official source has yet confirmed) is the exact reason(s) why he did this and why the march originally took place. It's blatant when a loon shouts "Allah u Akhbar" then proceeds to drive into folk what his aim is. Also when the police come out and say he was an ISIS terrorist working on behalf of so and so . . . I'd still have questions even then. Such as how much did the state know? Did they do enough? Where was he trained? Did he work alone? etc
madthatter Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 spin on to 11m 15s in that video the reports you heard are similar to how the nazi bloke tries to pass it off towards the end of the video, so spin on to him and have a listen then spin back to 11m 15s and watch it again if there's still any doubt for anyone they clearly don't want to see this for what it was I've watched it a couple of times now. It looks bad, as I've said, and obviously those who say he was provoked were on the right - it's still not conclusive though as we don't see what happens prior. No doubt it will come out in due course and after the investigation. You're dead wrong on that last bit - I want to see the whole picture not just one sides interpretation. I think folk misinterpret my intentions on these matters, or I don't make it clear enough. What I want is the truth - should I be criticised for not trusting the media and not wanting to instantly 'pick a side'? For all the 'Uh oh' types on here there is remarkably some decent, open and honest discussion on such matters. Long may that continue (here or anywhere) As Trump said - there is hate and violence and both sides. That is undeniable.
Ani Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I've watched it a couple of times now. It looks bad, as I've said, and obviously those who say he was provoked were on the right - it's still not conclusive though as we don't see what happens prior. No doubt it will come out in due course and after the investigation. You're dead wrong on that last bit - I want to see the whole picture not just one sides interpretation. I think folk misinterpret my intentions on these matters, or I don't make it clear enough. What I want is the truth - should I be criticised for not trusting the media and not wanting to instantly 'pick a side'? For all the 'Uh oh' types on here there is remarkably some decent, open and honest discussion on such matters. Long may that continue (here or anywhere) As Trump said - there is hate and violence and both sides. That is undeniable. But you do not trust the media. The authorities might cover things up. You have to draw conclusions on the evidence you have in front of you. The reason behind the March are well documented. The reason people hate nazis well documented. If a person attending a rally that is openly promoting hatred then acts in a way that reflects that hatred. A lad who since school has supported nazis has been pictured holding material supporting a neo nazi group. All the film released so far points in one way. As always there could be some hidden agenda. If this was a call you had to make would you say tragic accident his foot slipped ? He was scared and trying to get away ? Or he was a fucking mentalist ? You seem to think he may have scared by people with sticks. If a leftie drive into the crowd of KKK supporters because they were scared by their guns would you be wanting to get a fuller view ?
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Also something that maybe not have been seen in or spoke about in the UK was on that vary same day, a group of neo Nazi or what ever you want to call them parked themselves outside a Jewish church armed to the teeth with semi-auto weapon's and neo Nazi flags , maybe they just stopped for a coffee. I mean according to Trump there's some good people on that side or maybe it was something else I will let you decide
deane koontz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Also something that maybe not have been seen in or spoke about in the UK was on that vary same day, a group of neo Nazi or what ever you want to call them parked themselves outside a Jewish church armed to the teeth with semi-auto weapon's and neo Nazi flags , maybe they just stopped for a coffee. I mean according to Trump there's some good people on that side or maybe it was something else I will let you decide They're good lads who mean no harm. Let them carry on being Nazis in peace.
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Deane that would be normally be funny , but it would seem some people think that, Trump being one of them. I watched that report on the news last night (maybe it was fake news) and to be frank it brought tears to my eyes, those people in that church in this day and age in a civilized society should not be afraid and they were , very afraid
Zico Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 As Trump said - there is hate and violence and both sides. That is undeniable. but what is wrong with violence and hate directed at nazis? we had a war over their ideologies once the whole world joined in
deane koontz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 It's disturbing TW. I was listening to LBC yesterday and there were a few people ringing up attempting to defend them one of which brought up eugenics. It's staggering, It's as if some people have forgot what type of people they actually are. Fucking loons.
Whites man Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 but what is wrong with violence and hate directed at nazis? we had a war over their ideologies once the whole world joined in Too right, the only time a Yank should be waving a Nazi flag is when he has won it in battle.
Whites man Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 To those who cannot be arsed going through Madhatters increasingly lengthy posts he thinks we should listen to what the Nazis have to say and then make our minds up.
jules_darby Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 To those who cannot be arsed going through Madhatters increasingly lengthy posts he thinks we should listen to what the Nazis have to say and then make our minds up.Glad my Granddad and Grandpa didn't think that way
Carlos Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 To those who cannot be arsed going through Madhatters increasingly lengthy posts he thinks we should listen to what the Nazis have to say and then make our minds up. Really, really boring or wired up wrong?
Sweep Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 It's disturbing TW. I was listening to LBC yesterday and there were a few people ringing up attempting to defend them one of which brought up eugenics. I heard that call, absolutely staggering Here it is....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZuckV-aXFQ White people are smarter than Black people according to this caller
gonzo Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) There's no hitler statues in Germany. The majority of Germans are ashamed of their past and any show of nazism is banned. Why the fuck it's any different in the good old USA Is beyond me. Edited August 17, 2017 by gonzo
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Just think of all the Brits and Yanks that went on to the beach on D-Day to pick on them Nazis
gonzo Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Just think of all the Brits and Yanks that went on to the beach on D-Day to pick on them Nazis I'd like to hear their side of the story first to be honest
MalcolmW Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I'd like to hear their side of the story first to be honest Yesterday channel are currently repeating The World at War (26 hour-long episodes) for the nth time. Normandy landings were on earlier this week.
madthatter Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 To those who cannot be arsed going through Madhatters increasingly lengthy posts he thinks we should listen to what the Nazis have to say and then make our minds up. Not quite right is it? Glad my Granddad and Grandpa didn't think that way Me too. They fought for the right to free speech didn't they? Where that line should be drawn is debatable; if not, then praise be the facist era or whatever else takes its place - who gets to say what's right? left or right it's worrying. Points about different things are being confused here. I'll say no more you'll all be pleased to hear
tyldesley_white Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 No they fought to be free, free speech is a what come with being free and loads of other things which people seem to take for granted
miamiwhite Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Bloody world's gone mad https://mobile.twitter.com/Chet_Cannon/status/898231256097243136 Edited August 17, 2017 by miamiwhite
Carlos Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 No they fought to be free, free speech is a what come with being free and loads of other things which people seem to take for granted I've said this many times before, my grandad fought because he was called up, as a reservist. As a father of a young child, going off risking his life for freedom of speech wasn't at the top of his priorities. He was a reservist as you got paid, no other reason.
madthatter Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 No they fought to be free, free speech is a what come with being free and loads of other things which people seem to take for granted I've said this many times before, my grandad fought because he was called up, as a reservist. As a father of a young child, going off risking his life for freedom of speech wasn't at the top of his priorities. He was a reservist as you got paid, no other reason. I'm disappointed in myself for replying, and am about to go and sit in the naughty corner; but as Tyldesley says, with freedom comes free speech. Jesus, you're nit picking t'fook And my Grandad's signed up, not that that adds a damn thing to the discussion
bolty58 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 You did have me worried for a while there So now the scales have fallen from your eyes I take it you'll be voting for same sex marriage? There's a good lad What??? Please find the earlier posts on Ziconvolution. You know the answer to the question don't you? I'll vote for gay marriage when Bolton Wanderers complete a treble of Champions League Cup Final victories and England have amassed three World Cup wins.
bolty58 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 If you treat a white bloke driving into a bunch of lefties in anyway differently than Light brown folk driving into a bunch of tourists. You have issues. ( by 'you' I mean people generally not you specifically). Seems like the cabal on here have issues then if you are correct. They have twisted the attack on Barcelona thread to an anti Trump rant based on events in Charlotte. Now that is seriously fucked up.
bolty58 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Also something that maybe not have been seen in or spoke about in the UK was on that vary same day, a group of neo Nazi or what ever you want to call them parked themselves outside a Jewish church armed to the teeth with semi-auto weapon's and neo Nazi flags , maybe they just stopped for a coffee. I mean according to Trump there's some good people on that side or maybe it was something else I will let you decide Couldn't agree more with the majority of that post and gave you a +1. Amazed that this has been allowed to flourish.
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