Manager

[Guest]

my point doesnt accentuate anything of the sort. it simply confirms that losing Madine had no negative impact on our season. we were 21st when he left & 21st on the final day. if anything it was a positive.  Money in the bank and our ppg went up slightly. so you referencing his departure in your statement is irrelevant

 

i dont think there is any debate about Parkinson. He's good at what he does at a certain level. Do i think he can take us much further even with investment? maybe, maybe not. Do i enjoy what i watch? certainly not 

 

It isn't irrelevant. Generally when teams lose integral players (especially their top scorer) they get significantly worse. To manage through that shows perhaps, how good Parky is. 

[barrycowdrill]

It isn't irrelevant. Generally when teams lose integral players (especially their top scorer) they get significantly worse. To manage through that shows perhaps, how good Parky is. 

 

statistically we got marginally better which actually demonstrates how integral he was. 

 

PP played exactly the same way with / without him. So he didnt really work through it and find a solution. He was pretty much forced to play ALF. Who if given the opportunities to play instead of / with Madine earlier in the season wouldve spanked him in the goal scoring charts.

 

so credit where credit is due to PP but the majority of my recognition and appreciation goes to ALF

Edited May 14, 2018 by barrycowdrill

[Guest]

statistically we got marginally better which actually demonstrates how integral he was. 

 

PP played exactly the same way with / without him. So he didnt really work through it and find a solution. He was pretty much forced to play ALF. Who if given the opportunities to play instead of / with Madine earlier in the season wouldve spanked him in the goal scoring charts.

 

so credit where credit is due to PP but the majority of my recognition and appreciation goes to ALF

 

Well we disagree massively then. Because we changed a lot when Madine went. Initially playing 3-5-2 with Ameobi up with ALF. Then going to a back 4 and getting ALF to run the channels. 

 

Also if you take out the first 11 games (given Madine was one of our better players during that period) the stats show a definitive decline in points with Madine here vs him leaving. Madine's and ALF's goals per minute are incredibly similar too this season.

 

The point is whatever the situation Parky turned Madine into a player a team going for promotion would pay £6M for. Madine was sold and we stayed up.

 

However, you want to spin all that it points to one thing, Parky being fooking ace. 

[barrycowdrill]

Well we disagree massively then. Because we changed a lot when Madine went. Initially playing 3-5-2 with Ameobi up with ALF. Then going to a back 4 and getting ALF to run the channels. 

 

Also if you take out the first 11 games 

 

Yes we changed formations and players we never once changed how we played. not once

 

and "if you take out the first 11 games" how can you??? absolutely ludicrous comment.

 

thats like saying if we ignored the other 45 games, ALF would be up for the Balon D'or 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Spin all the stats a day bollocks you want. It was a joyless watch most of the time. Any more of the same and folk will fuck off in their droves.

Ken has a decision to make.

[DirtySanchez]

Did we? You're saying that Beevers is better than Ream? Or Cullen better than Spearing? Or Wheater better than Holding? Or Pratley better than Mark Davies?

Mark Davies spent more time injured or couldn't be arsed than good games he had

[Guest]

Yes we changed formations and players we never once changed how we played. not once

 

and "if you take out the first 11 games" how can you??? absolutely ludicrous comment.

 

thats like saying if we ignored the other 45 games, ALF would be up for the Balon D'or  : :

 

Its not ludicrous because clearly the issues in the side in the first 11 weren't down to Madine.

 

Had Henry not pitched up, the rest might well be irrelevant, equally we had Ameobi and Vela missing in those games. See when we had our full strength team with Madine we were better than without. In the end though Parky has made the club 6M!

[barrycowdrill]

Its not ludicrous because clearly the issues in the side in the first 11 weren't down to Madine.

 

Had Henry not pitched up, the rest might well be irrelevant, equally we had Ameobi and Vela missing in those games. See when we had our full strength team with Madine we were better than without. In the end though Parky has made the club 6M!

 

well, ill ignore the games he scored in then and say he was fucking shite and did nothing for us. easy isnt it to ignore what you want to back your view 

[victor meldrew]

well, ill ignore the games he scored in then and say he was fucking shite and did nothing for us. easy isnt it to ignore what you want to back your view

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[birch-chorley]

I hope we aren’t still talking about Madine come August

 

Fuck me

[Traf]

I hope we aren’t still talking about Madine come August

 

Fuck me

 

Who?

 

That cunt was dead to me the minute he left.

[Johnnyrotten]

But if parky stays he will be back on loan so the debate will start all over again. I will finally accept he's gone once we have a new manager that isn't route 1. Madine has to play somewhere next year and at the moment its too easy and convenient for it to be here for my liking.

[Ratwhite]

What exactly is route one?

 

A racking pass from Chris Smalling to find Ibrahimovich

 

A racking pass from Van Dyke to pick out Salah

 

A racking pass from Howard to be flicked on by Pratley, for ALF to run onto and Cross for Wilbraham to score?

 

Mmmmmmmmmmm

 

Did Sam Allardyce play route one?

 

Does Mourinho play route one?

 

Is there a better "Bolton" way, like WHU and Everton fans seem to think they have. I love to be enlightened...

[jmjhb]

It's a cultured hoof if done by a foreign player obviously

[Casino]

style is, always has been and always will be utter bollocks

 

the only style that matters is getting points

 

i enjoyed all our wins last season and quite a few of our draws

 

 

if its style you want, why settle for bolton having a go at tippy tappy shite when you may as well see the real thing at city

 

im much more entertained by a scabby 1-0 bolton win than a city 6-0 masterclass

[Biggish Dave]

Just got me thinking, when did we last put 6 past anyone? Can't just think of any in the past 20 years off the top of my head

[Casino]

tottenham or swindon, i'd guess

[jmjhb]

Luton in the Cup in 97? Won 6-2

[Casino]

we scored at least 6 on 4 occasions in 96/7

 

sept grimsby

november spurs

january luton

march swindon

[Zico]

Not that its about style but the best team of my lifetime did it 3 times in 96/97 v grimsby, Luton and spurs plus 7 v swindon

[radcliffe white]

Forgot about Grimsby

[Guest]

Not that its about style but the best team of my lifetime did it 3 times in 96/97 v grimsby, Luton and spurs plus 7 v swindon

That can not possibly be the best team in your lifetime. How did it do in the Premiership?

[famouswanderer]

What exactly is route one?

 

A racking pass from Chris Smalling to find Ibrahimovich

 

A racking pass from Van Dyke to pick out Salah

 

A racking pass from Howard to be flicked on by Pratley, for ALF to run onto and Cross for Wilbraham to score?

 

Mmmmmmmmmmm

 

Did Sam Allardyce play route one?

 

Does Mourinho play route one?

 

Is there a better "Bolton" way, like WHU and Everton fans seem to think they have. I love to be enlightened...

 

Ive watched that goal about 851 times and was pretty sure it was Henry with the flick on.. :-)

[Casino]

if it was pratley, we mustve had 12 on the pitch

[desert]

Ive watched that goal about 851 times and was pretty sure it was Henry with the flick on.. :-)

you'd be right seeing as pratley wasn't even on the pitch at that point!

 

 

the cunt behind me was having a pop at henry, but kept calling him pratley, in the end i had to tell him he was subbed 20 mins ago.