stevieb Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, kent_white said: This is always useful to provide a bit of context. People have generally got no idea how harmful alcohol is. I've said before on here - when I first became a nurse I was expecting the wards to be full of people who were lifelong smokers - whilst there were smokers there were far more drinkers. And there were drug users - but far, far fewer than the other two. 11 Was ace being a student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, stevieb said: 11 Was ace being a student. Number 11? Or that's how many you've tried? Mines 12 (tried) In my youth of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2019 Kent, if other substances were given the same legal status and therefore ready availability as alcohol, would they overtake it on the graph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 GHB is 9th harmful? Tell that to those gay lads murdered with the stuff... Heard of it implicated in other crimes too - brasses, rentboys using it to rob clients, a few pegged it as a result iirc, it's got massive contraindications with other CNS depressants like booze - mixed with even small amounts it can be lethal. 13 definite, possibly 14 or 15 including 'spikings' (not by brasses or rentboys) and/or mistaken identities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Same here 13 🙄 unlucky for some so im currently wondering what will be 14 to round it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, kent_white said: Number 11? Or that's how many you've tried? Mines 12 (tried) In my youth of course! Both. Number 11 was the realisation I needed to can it all. Went for a piss at a party and got locked in the bathroom for two hours as I couldn't find the door. Was convinced it didn't exist and I'd somehow climbed in from the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, stevieb said: Both. Number 11 was the realisation I needed to can it all. Went for a piss at a party and got locked in the bathroom for two hours as I couldn't find the door. Was convinced it didn't exist and I'd somehow climbed in from the window. We've all been there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Kent, if other substances were given the same legal status and therefore ready availability as alcohol, would they overtake it on the graph? Good question. I don't know if I'm honest. I imagine if cocaine was freely available and regulated it would cause a lot more societal harm than alcohol. The harm to user part would be pretty static though I'd imagine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, stevieb said: Both. Number 11 was the realisation I needed to can it all. Went for a piss at a party and got locked in the bathroom for two hours as I couldn't find the door. Was convinced it didn't exist and I'd somehow climbed in from the window. Always respect number 11! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: We've all been there! I got locked in a disabled toilet at a hotel for my works Xmas do for god knows how long. Had no signal on my phone. Couldn’t get out couldn’t ring anyone door wouldn’t open. Couldn’t figure it out pushed and pulled on door lock wasn’t on but door wouldn’t budge Went through a bag nearly trying to figure out how to get out which at the time I thought was helping my misery ended when someone heard me in there and slid the door open and it was my boss who had come looking for me as I had been gone an age. Difficult one to explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 22, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Casino said: How is harm measured? Robbery and bummings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 22, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Know a few people who've wrecked their lives through coke addiction - losing jobs, houses, marriages, kids, the lot. I only did it occasionally, but I realised it was trouble when I found myself crushing and snorting ProPlus at 5 in the morning while everyone else was asleep, trying to extend the party that was going on in my head. Madness. If someone is seriously hooked, there's not much anyone can do until they hit rock bottom and ask for help, or suffer serious health issues. Awful drug. Turns people into absolute cunts. At least smackheads keep themselves to themselves while they're on it. Cokeheads think they're great and everyone needs to listen to them. Edited August 22, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Did some E and stuff when younger, but I really don't see the attraction in it all. I'd rather just have a pint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Cheese said: Know a few people who've wrecked their lives through coke addiction - losing jobs, houses, marriages, kids, the lot. I only did it occasionally, but I realised it was trouble when I found myself crushing and snorting ProPlus at 5 in the morning while everyone else was asleep, trying to extend the party that was going on in my head. Madness. If someone is seriously hooked, there's not much anyone can do until they hit rock bottom and ask for help, or suffer serious health issues. Awful drug. Turns people into absolute cunts. At least smackheads keep themselves to themselves while they're on it. Cokeheads think they're great and everyone needs to listen to them. Problem solved. Custard bob and fanny5 are bing heads. Who would’ve thought!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Casino said: Either I don't get it or that graph is shit How is harm measured? The graph isn't perfect - it's put together by risk analysts. Harm to users is measured by variables like mortality and long term mental impairment - harm to others is measured by variables like crime and propensity to violence. Even the author admits it's not without its flaws - but reckons you'd have to change the variables by some margin to alter the order that they appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted August 23, 2019 Members Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 1. Johnny Squaresville. Yet it is the most harmful according to that graph. Edited August 23, 2019 by bolty58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted August 23, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 23, 2019 Cocaine is one of them drugs that turns you into a massive prick. Same as alcohol. Yet getting off your face is socially acceptable. To be encouraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widnes Two Hats Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) LSD is virtually harmless so I'm off into town to buy some Never tried heroin as I think I'd like it too much, same with crack Edited August 23, 2019 by Widnes Two Hats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 23, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 23, 2019 7 hours ago, bolty58 said: 1. Johnny Squaresville. Yet it is the most harmful according to that graph. 2 for me And I only ever had 2 cigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 23, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, Widnes Two Hats said: LSD is virtually harmless so I'm off into town to buy some Never tried heroin as I think I'd like it too much, same with crack aye, two things I avoid in case I get into them - heroin and gay sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Traf said: Did Big E when I was younger, but I really don't see the attraction in it all. I'd rather just have a pint. Fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Widnes Two Hats said: LSD is virtually harmless so I'm off into town to buy some Can you still easily get LSD? - I've not seen or heard of it around for absolutely years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widnes Two Hats Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: aye, two things I avoid in case I get into them - heroin and gay sex There's no such thing as gay sex, it's just lazyiness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted August 23, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Widnes Two Hats said: Never tried heroin as I think I'd like it too much, same with crack Morish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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