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Posted
3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m just stating fact that we are 50% less deaths here than Italy, not sure why you think it’s some sort of contest, as per usual you leap to a hysterical conclusion.

 

Cool

Lets lift the lockdown.

I’d fancy my chances over yours....

 

Posted
24 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Agree with all of this. For me the government has taken a long term view. When we and other countries come out of lockdown, there will inevitably be an increase in infections. 
It won’t have disappeared.
It’s all about managing it so as not to overwhelm the NHS not eradicating it. 

In 12 months time, the world will look back  and the cock waving and recriminations will begin. Some on here have already 

There's more than one way out. Just watch over the coming weeks, some will work better than others. 

If we end up with very high death rate, as it looks like we will, I expect the government will be more cautious than most when it comes to relaxing restrictions. I expect them to wait and see what works best, weve got a bigger economy than most, we can afford to wait longer.

 

 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m just stating fact that we are 50% less deaths here than Italy, not sure why you think it’s some sort of contest, as per usual you leap to a hysterical conclusion.

 

We're catching them up mounts, and will do for probably the next few weeks, they're on the way down, we arent yet.

Posted
Just now, peelyfeet said:

We're catching them up mounts, and will do for probably the next few weeks, they're on the way down, we arent yet.

He’s never wrong.

Ever.

Posted
Just now, peelyfeet said:

We're catching them up mounts, and will do for probably the next few weeks, they're on the way down, we arent yet.

Yep I know we’re catching up, let’s hope we don’t though. Mind you even 50% less than Italy isn’t any success for those who’ve lost their life. 

Posted
1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

Statisticians build all the variables you've mentioned, and more into the models they run. 

From what I'm reading, the error the UK and US made in their initial models was underestimating the infection rate. We thought it was under 3, now looks like its higher than that. 

 

Statisticians can do what they want,  that was the whole idea of my post which you seemed to have missed..

People are not statistics and act in their own ways, that is why the virus is spreading etc.

Can it equate for the family down the road having house parties most nights, then walking home via the shop, nipping in to buy something from Mr Khan, who doesn't show symptoms but then passes it to 100 other people who need something from the shop.. can it balls.. 

It's a live living thing, being moved by live living things, it's unpredictable. 

Hence why the herd immunity was bounded about at first, and then lockdown used to try and slow down infection rates.

If we have a resurgence (which there probably will be), the countries that had total lockdown will suffer again, 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Not drinking tonight luv.

I can spot your arrogance sober too

No arrogance here, just stating a fact as the situation currently stands. Just block me fella, save you getting upset and wishing lockdown was relaxed because you think you stand a better chance of surviving CV than me....   you really are a tool. 

Posted
Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

No arrogance here, just stating a fact as the situation currently stands. Just block me fella, save you getting upset and wishing lockdown was relaxed because you think you stand a better chance of surviving CV than me....   you really are a tool. 

You keep downplaying it.

You know the same as the majority of us about pandemics - absolutely fuck all.

Your assertion that we are having it easy though, well fuck me. You need to up the meds mate.

Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Spider said:

You keep downplaying it.

You know the same as the majority of us about pandemics - absolutely fuck all.

Your assertion that we are having it easy though, well fuck me. You need to up the meds mate.

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?   I’ve said nothing of the sort, you need to get back on the meds. 

Edited by Mounts Kipper
Posted
10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m just stating fact that we are 50% less deaths here than Italy, not sure why you think it’s some sort of contest, as per usual you leap to a hysterical conclusion.

 

That's simply a matter of timing. In terms of raw numbers, more people have died in this country than had died in Italy at the same stage - 30 days since the tenth recorded fatality.

But the death rates themselves are heavily influenced by other factors (total population, death recording methods, spread of population, age demographic, health demographic, standard of the healthcare system, etc.) so can be misleasing.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That's simply a matter of timing. In terms of raw numbers, more people have died in this country than had died in Italy at the same stage - 30 days since the tenth recorded fatality.

But the death rates themselves are heavily influenced by other factors (total population, death recording methods, spread of population, age demographic, health demographic, standard of the healthcare system, etc.) so can be misleasing.

Wasting your time.

He’s gone. Left in Rocket Kipper ages ago and is busy orbiting the earth and eating wibble pies.

Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, Spider said:

Cool

Lets lift the lockdown.

I’d fancy my chances over yours....

 

 

35 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Put the drink down. 

fancy my poker night lads?

could pinch a few quid off each other in the process :D

Edited by L/H White
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Ani said:

People keep talking as though shutting down 2 weeks earlier would have saved lives. When the reality is that it would have only delayed things sadly. 
The purpose of the Government action is to manage the numbers so the NHS could cope. 
Say we closed down 2 weeks ago we would now be coming out of it with infections etc dropping. If we then go back to ‘normal’ the infection would start growing again. There is plenty of talk about a second peak. Closing down too early would as I understand it just lead to a bigger second peak. The long term level of infection will not change as at some point the restrictions lift. What the Govt are trying to do us ensure as often as possible when someone gets serious infection there is an ICU bed. 
Have I got this wrong ?? 

 

Maybe the hope is that we will better prepared to test and monitor people down the line as so also manage the infection level down  ?? 

 

Good post that gives an insight into one of the reasons why our govn. were holding back initially. It goes without saying that countries who shut down earlier have saved lives in the short run and so would we if we had done the same. But I do think that the countries who acted early will see less lives lost in the long run too. Not sure the likes of Germany and South Korea will catch up with us. 

The solution is in your test & monitor point. Mass testing and tracking of the virus has a decent chance of preventing mass infection and a significant second/ third peak. This gives us a better chance of keeping the country open and having some level of normality until a vaccine comes out. Mitigation is all we've got for now- but mitigating with smaller numbers benefits us all. It means folk can get cancer treatment, non-emergency surgery and an economy that can function in some areas. Many more people than we realise will have caught this and probably be immune. Tests in Iceland show only half of those tested actually showed any symptoms. 

It's a nightmare though- so many scenarios and things unknown. Nobody can say anything with clarity. Maybe it will be a War of the Worlds kind of moment and something obscure just kills it off. Imagine the party then. 

Edited by London Wanderer

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