Coronavirus

[Alf Hartigan]

31 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

I was in no doubt that the initial lockdown period for all over 70s and also for anyone with specific underlying conditions was 12 weeks, with the possibility of extension.

The general lockdown period was unspecified but subject to 3-weekly review. Mid May now seems the earliest date for significant relaxation.

There will be many lessons to be learned from this pandemic. Scientists have been telling anyone who would listen that a future pandemic would be a huge problem in this globally connected world. And now here it is. 

One question is how frequently can such events be expected? Once in a generation may seem reasonable in view of experience over the last couple of centuries, but of course air travel has changed the game. If another pandemic came in 5 years who would be ready?

As has been said authoritarian regimes can control populations far more effectively, but democracies can do better. Most countries have some form of ID card, but UK don't. Labour almost introduced one in 2006 but got cold feet thanks to a media slagging, and even the watered down system went out of the window under the Cameron coalition.

Police forces have shown that they are clueless in matters requiring a level of common sense, which is another problem which has to be addressed.

Brilliant post

[ZiggyStardust]

3 hours ago, mickbrown said:

But there are less infected. 
 

If n is the number of people infected by a person, once n drops below 1, then it dies out 

Once lockdown ends, n increases, potebtially back to the figure it was before lockdown.

it dies out when n = 0

[Spider]

34 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

I was in no doubt that the initial lockdown period for all over 70s and also for anyone with specific underlying conditions was 12 weeks, with the possibility of extension.

The general lockdown period was unspecified but subject to 3-weekly review. Mid May now seems the earliest date for significant relaxation.

There will be many lessons to be learned from this pandemic. Scientists have been telling anyone who would listen that a future pandemic would be a huge problem in this globally connected world. And now here it is. 

One question is how frequently can such events be expected? Once in a generation may seem reasonable in view of experience over the last couple of centuries, but of course air travel has changed the game. If another pandemic came in 5 years who would be ready?

As has been said authoritarian regimes can control populations far more effectively, but democracies can do better. Most countries have some form of ID card, but UK don't. Labour almost introduced one in 2006 but got cold feet thanks to a media slagging, and even the watered down system went out of the window under the Cameron coalition.

Police forces have shown that they are clueless in matters requiring a level of common sense, which is another problem which has to be addressed.

I had a significant relaxation this morning whilst the family were out for a walk.

 

[Alf Hartigan]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

I had a significant relaxation this morning whilst the family were out for a walk.

 

Pornhub?

[Ani]

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Earlier shut down = fewer infections = fewer deaths. 
 

Am I missing summat?

The logic is that the virus is here and people will get infected. Lock downs are used to spread the period (flatten the curve). An early lock down reduces the initial rump but would be followed by a second larger rump. So you need to build to a manageable volume and cope from there. Otherwise you face a second period of lock down. 
 

This my understanding based on listening to the briefings and scientists. It also sounds sickeningly cold when you actually dealing with real people which fits with the agenda of the politicians claiming to be following the science so that when this is reviewed in the future they say they were compelled by this even though it paints an awful picture. 

[Alf Hartigan]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Good post, although last paragraph about the Police is slightly unfair, its more the muppets who are not adhering to the Lockdown rules that have no common sense, they have had to put up with some shit, and i'm not the Police's biggest fan, so "Don't stand So Close to me" 😁

Sort of agree, I I do have a lot of sympathy and empathy with the police but some clips I have seen on You Tube are ridiculous

[Rudy]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Some are clueless, a bit like Fat Craig off Corrie, but the abuse and disrespect shown to them, while some cunts film it, is just vile. 

He’s a shit actor as well

[Alf Hartigan]

Just now, Mr Grey said:

Some are clueless, a bit like Fat Craig off Corrie, but the abuse and disrespect shown to them, while some cunts film it, is just vile. 

I know, I've been the victim of this nonsense for the last ten years, it's a difficult thing to handle.

I'm talking about being filmed by cretins whilst trying to do your job by the way

[Spider]

So

are we saying the official government position is that infection is unavoidable for most, just that we need to keep the NHS able to control it as well as it can?

Not something I’d want to hear as a person in the risk categories.

But, it is what it is.

[only1swanny]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

So

are we saying the official government position is that infection is unavoidable for most, just that we need to keep the NHS able to control it as well as it can?

Not something I’d want to hear as a person in the risk categories.

But, it is what it is.

Pretty much, 

think back to that video of some bloke pouring water out...

It's inevitable, some of the shielded will be immune btw, I'm fair certain my wife is..

[Marc505]

1 hour ago, MalcolmW said:

 

There will be many lessons to be learned from this pandemic. Scientists have been telling anyone who would listen that a future pandemic would be a huge problem in this globally connected world. And now here it is. 

One question is how frequently can such events be expected? Once in a generation may seem reasonable in view of experience over the last couple of centuries, but of course air travel has changed the game. If another pandemic came in 5 years who would be ready?

 

Great post. I've been thinking about if something similar happened again, not in the next 5 years but say in the next 18 months as the world just about gets back to its feel and back to whatever normality is.

I wonder what the reaction and appetite would be for the population to shut down again so soon.

[mickbrown]

15 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Pretty much, 

think back to that video of some bloke pouring water out...

It's inevitable, some of the shielded will be immune btw, I'm fair certain my wife is..

No they won't. They might be asymptomatic but not immune.

They'll still be able to infect others

Edited April 12, 2020 by mickbrown

[Alf Hartigan]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Hope your not a Porn star 😉

No, but I wish I was 🙂

 

[Tombwfc]

41 minutes ago, Ani said:

The logic is that the virus is here and people will get infected. Lock downs are used to spread the period (flatten the curve). An early lock down reduces the initial rump but would be followed by a second larger rump. So you need to build to a manageable volume and cope from there. Otherwise you face a second period of lock down. 
 

This my understanding based on listening to the briefings and scientists. It also sounds sickeningly cold when you actually dealing with real people which fits with the agenda of the politicians claiming to be following the science so that when this is reviewed in the future they say they were compelled by this even though it paints an awful picture. 

 

That's the thing though isn't it? We'll never be as unprepared to deal with the virus as we were the first time around. From PPE to testing to ventilators, we could've bought time (the purpose of any lockdown) and let other countries show us what not to do. There was no benefit to diving in and 'taking it on the chin'.

But the reality is, we didn't want to follow the strategy of other nations (specifically the WHO recommendations when it comes to testing, lockdowns, contact tracing and PPE - all set out by that article Zico posted earlier). We started off doing our own thing and have come around slowly but surely.

 

[Alf Hartigan]

16 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

No they won't. They might be asymptomatic but not immune.

They'll still be able to infect others

Not sure that's been proven yet Mick

[radcliffe white]

11 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Shocking mate, and no copper does his own manor, bad form from Corrie.

Nick Berry did 

[Alf Hartigan]

5 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Not sure that's been proven yet Mick

ignore that, misread the post

[Rudy]

15 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Shocking mate, and no copper does his own manor, bad form from Corrie.

That black (Sickened) family can all go in the canal as well

[radcliffe white]

7 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Got the theme from Heartbeat in my head now, fuck off!

You do have a look of a younger greengrass😀

[Rudy]

7 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Black Gay footballer, who come up with that not so real storyline, will never happen unless Andy 'Dark Fruits' Peters makes a late play at being a pro footie player.

He’s the worst actor him and his dad with the weird voice fuck off corrie

wheres Carla?

[Winchester White]

I am either too pissed to read or you lot are on drugs. Either way seems good to me.

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Not sure that's been proven yet Mick

Ah, sorry about that. 

[Rudy]

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I am either too pissed to read or you lot are on drugs. Either way seems good to me.

A little from column A 

A little from column B

[Wanderlust]

5 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Speaking of tits

Does Kelly Brook not have any nips or have they been airbrushed out?

[Rudy]

5 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Does Kelly Brook not have any nips or have they been airbrushed out?