Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Excellent news. Happy Easter

Likewise. I know I seem like an argumentative twat. But I’m not. I’m just a twat

[Rudy]

18 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Likewise. I know I seem like an argumentative twat. But I’m not. I’m just a twat

A Scottish twat

[Escobarp]

Just now, Rudy’s Message said:

A Scottish twat

Now I draw the line at that level of insult you cunt 

[Rudy]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Now I draw the line at that level of insult you cunt 

I’ll meet you down the club shop when you’re allowed past the border 

[Rudy]

Aren’t sundays figures usually low?

[Escobarp]

Just now, Rudy’s Message said:

I’ll meet you down the club shop when you’re allowed past the border 

Get in the queue no pushing to the front 

[frank_spencer]

2 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

A Scottish twat

When esco gets on a rant this is the image in my head.

[Escobarp]

Just now, frank_spencer said:

When esco gets on a rant this is the image in my head.

Replace that with Homer Simpson and you’re getting warmer pal 

[burnden]

 

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

When esco gets on a rant this is the image in my head.

The more rants we get the more busters we get posted

[frank_spencer]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Replace that with Homer Simpson and you’re getting warmer pal 

I dunno you owd buggers remind me more of this. 😁

 

[Escobarp]

[Rudy]

I might be wrong but I don’t think social distancing works if a family turns up to a house and talks to their family with their head through the window 

[Rudy]

29th Feb was the first American COVID19 death. 
They’ve just hit 20,000. Crikey. 

[mickbrown]

58 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Likewise. I know I seem like an argumentative twat. But I’m not. I’m just a twat

😀

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

FFS New Zealand 2 islands with small population in the middle of nowhere and Finland’s populations nothing both with low density of population, Spain Italy France and U.K. are central hubs for world wide travel as is new York so it’s no wonder they are at the forefront of this virus. Think my initial observsation is correct it’s all about Boris for you. 

There's other places that are central hubs or had more people coming from China that acted quicker & have much lower death rates.

Either you're upset that I don't like our new national hero or you haven't been reading my posts. There's plenty of evidence that we lost a couple of weeks on this one. It's got fuck all to do with whether or not I like Boris. 

[Wanderlust]

4 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Is Priti Patel the new Diane Abbott? #numberwang

Probably. They both make my wang numb.

[Wanderlust]

4 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

a timelines of events that doesn't show the government in a very good light on how they've handled this

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

make of it what you well, but it does suggest a lot of fucking around and failure to act quickly on our part

it may well be politically motivated but would be interesting to know if there are any date lines that have been missed that would redress the balance

Never heard of Byline times TBH but this is an interesting read for me as I mentioned most of these events at the time they were happening on another site as I was genuinely concerned where it was heading and wanted to know what folk thought about it.

Got banned by the ostrich in chief.

[Mounts Kipper]

46 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

There's other places that are central hubs or had more people coming from China that acted quicker & have much lower death rates.

Either you're upset that I don't like our new national hero or you haven't been reading my posts. There's plenty of evidence that we lost a couple of weeks on this one. It's got fuck all to do with whether or not I like Boris. 

Like where? You stated NZ and Finland. Proper hubs those. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[mickbrown]

Here’s an interesting thread comparing us and Ireland. 
 

 

 

[only1swanny]

All good and well, but countries actions are not proportional.

How many tourists came back to the UK from corona hotspots, compared to Ireland,

How many people move around the country (72 million trips abroad a year in the UK, compared to 2.7 million for Ireland..)

What is the population density of the major cities, Dublin would be the 4th Largest city in comparison, more people living close spreads the virus quicker

What percentage of the population have underlying health issues or are older (average age in UK is 40, Ireland 36)

How much commuting takes place over in Ireland with the UK having so many cities which people regular move between.

granted we shut down after them, but at the same time if 10% are ignoring that lockdown, 10% of 66 million is a hellofalot more than 10% of 5 million. That 6.1 million makes a world of difference..

Personally think that the Government have done a good job, this is far from over, China are being very secretive about what is going on, and they are terrified of 2nd outbreak... If they were so confident, why are the people in Wuhan still wearing masks??

Maybe in the long term, herd immunity is the right option, and managing our hospital intake. 

End of the day, no two countries are exactly the same and it's impossible to compare between them

[peelyfeet]

22 hours ago, ZiggyStardust said:

If we had locked down earlier (7,10 or 14 days), in your opinion, how many more (if any) would have been out and about yesterday, enjoying the easter weather, having 1 or two weeks of extra cabin fever. Would an earlier lockdown led to more deaths at a later date ?

I have no idea, but I do remember the 'experts' (ie those paid to have opinions on these matters, not idiots like us on a football message board) warning against lockdown too early.

On a personal note, I believe lockdown should mean lockdown, anyone out without a valid reason - 6 months in the big house.

Anyone having a party with others who dont live in the same house - 6 months.

I think we have been too soft (and as someone quoted us gun rule arguments earlier in this argument) - Governments dont Spread covid - people do.

 

 

Sorry for late reply.

It was our government experts warning against locking down early, most others were warning us against locking down too late. 

I can't understand the logic. The longer you wait, the more get infected, the longer it takes to get the disease under control, which makes the lockdown longer.

I fully expect countries that have had less deaths than us will have shorter lockdown

The only advantage I can see is that more people will  be infected when the lockdown ends.

[Casino]

10 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Sorry for late reply.

It was our government experts warning against locking down early, most others were warning us against locking down too late. 

I can't understand the logic. The longer you wait, the more get infected, the longer it takes to get the disease under control, which makes the lockdown longer.

I fully expect countries that have had less deaths than us will have shorter lockdown

The only advantage I can see is that more people will  be infected when the lockdown ends.

If we aren't going to wait for a vaccine and I don't think we can afford to, folk getting infected and folk dieing is going to be the story for a good while yet

The decision is going to be which groups to let loose to get infected

Sorry if it all sounds a bit Dominic cummings

[peelyfeet]

19 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

All good and well, but countries actions are not proportional.

How many tourists came back to the UK from corona hotspots, compared to Ireland,

How many people move around the country (72 million trips abroad a year in the UK, compared to 2.7 million for Ireland..)

What is the population density of the major cities, Dublin would be the 4th Largest city in comparison, more people living close spreads the virus quicker

What percentage of the population have underlying health issues or are older (average age in UK is 40, Ireland 36)

How much commuting takes place over in Ireland with the UK having so many cities which people regular move between.

granted we shut down after them, but at the same time if 10% are ignoring that lockdown, 10% of 66 million is a hellofalot more than 10% of 5 million. That 6.1 million makes a world of difference..

Personally think that the Government have done a good job, this is far from over, China are being very secretive about what is going on, and they are terrified of 2nd outbreak... If they were so confident, why are the people in Wuhan still wearing masks??

Maybe in the long term, herd immunity is the right option, and managing our hospital intake. 

End of the day, no two countries are exactly the same and it's impossible to compare between them

Staticians build all the variables you've mentioned, and more into the models they run. 

From what I'm reading, the error the UK and US made in their initial models was underestimating the infection rate. We thought it was under 3, now looks like its higher than that. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

If we aren't going to wait for a vaccine and I don't think we can afford to, folk getting infected and folk dieing is going to be the story for a good while yet

The decision is going to be which groups to let loose to get infected

Sorry if it all sounds a bit Dominic cummings

Until a vaccine we have two choices 

complete lockdown of which the actual economic consequences don’t even compute with most folk  

or a phased lockdown release and repeat method. 

and yes I know you can’t put a price on life