Coronavirus

[Spider]

25 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

When did he catch it?

Does that matter? He caught it whilst mixing with colleagues.

 

[peelyfeet]

4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I think there's something in that. 

Now that ppe is more available, the message is still to wear them, so presumably the shift was also partly in response to new evidence that there is some beneficial effect of wearing one.

Think 6% reduced risk reduction was mentioned. Dave Brailsford would have snatched your hand off such a large marginal gain. Hopefully Evatt will be on the lookout for something like this too.

This was the early WHO advice re masks

Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers.

The use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with neglect of other essential measures, such as hand hygiene practices and physical distancing, and may lead to touching the face under the masks and under the eyes, result in unnecessary costs, and take masks away from those in health care who need them most, especially when masks are in short supply.

Persons with symptoms should wear a medical mask. It is important to note that early symptoms for some people infected with COVID-19 may be very mild

 

And they were probably correct - I'm fairly sure that infections were spread around old folks homes, in some cases, because care workers and the infected residents didn't have ample PPE, because the general public had bought up stocks of masks - I bought some early doors and I think Mounts did too.  

Latest research says  Someone standing two metres from a coughing person who has no mask is exposed to 10,000 times more droplets than someone half a metre from a coughing person who is wearing one.

not peer reviewed yet https://www.ed.ac.uk/covid-19-response/latest-news/masks-block-spread-of-covid-linked-droplets

 

[peelyfeet]

9 hours ago, boltondiver said:

A bit of hindsight; apologies.

The reason for lockdown? To protect the NHS.

What’s the rationale behind our current restrictions?

 

keep the infection rate low in the run up to winter

The theory is low humidity environments will increase transmission rates a lot - low humidity in UK is autumn/winter indoors, with the windows shut and the central heating on - low humidity in hot countries (e.g southern US States) is indoors, with the windows shut and the air con on.

If we dont see a rise in deaths in winter here, I'll eat my undies. Hopefully it will be low. If. we have a mild winter, it will help

 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Matt Hancock saying there’s no evidence the virus transmits in the office, so go to work.

 

That's just ridiculous, it transmits where there are people who have it and people who don't, no matter if that's in a shop, on a bus, in the office or in Sandys Superstars

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Does that matter? He caught it whilst mixing with colleagues.

 

He's talking out of his Arse, we know that transmission occurs in hospitals, care homes, families mixing in households and overcrowded public places, like pubs.  We don't have enough data to measure the transmission rates in various workplaces yet. 

Viruses dont gve a shit about which building your'e in, it's all to do with the conditions inside, and the amount of exposure. Sitting next to a load of mouth breathers, on the phone,  in a poorly ventilated office for 8 hours a day, Vs in your front room, or in a well ventilated shop floor is a no brainer.  

If they want people to go back to work, they have to try to make it safer or as safe as working from home, otherwise some people will be reluctant to go. Imagine being in a call centre in the middle of winter with 100 20 something yr olds, gassing on the phone all day, talking about the rave they went to over the weekend - no thanks.

Edited August 20, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Does that matter? He caught it whilst mixing with colleagues.

 

Yes, it might

Probably quite a different environment between March and now, I reckon

[Boby Brno]

What he actually said.

“So it is that household transmission that is the core root of passing on this virus in this country. The amount of people who have caught it in workplaces is relatively low, from the evidence we’ve got.”

 

Of course you can catch it anywhere. 

[tyldesley_white]

9 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

What he actually said.

“So it is that household transmission that is the core root of passing on this virus in this country. The amount of people who have caught it in workplaces is relatively low, from the evidence we’ve got.”

 

Of course you can catch it anywhere. 

will seeing nobody's at work ( or very few people) the evidence is not accurate, if everyone goes back to work the core root of passing the virus will be in the workplace, so everyone home.

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

will seeing nobody's at work ( or very few people) the evidence is not accurate, if everyone goes back to work the core root of passing the virus will be in the workplace, so everyone home.

Very true - if everybody rocked back up to their places of work tomorrow morning, cases would rapidly be on the climb within a few days.

Does that mean we are actually fucked until a vaccine is produced (if one ever is)?

[gonzo]

20 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Very true - if everybody rocked back up to their places of work tomorrow morning, cases would rapidly be on the climb within a few days.

Does that mean we are actually fucked until a vaccine is produced (if one ever is)?

Everybody’s been rocking up to work, pubs, beaches, theme parks, shops for past 2 months and cases aren’t rising. 

 

[Boby Brno]

35 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

will seeing nobody's at work ( or very few people) the evidence is not accurate, if everyone goes back to work the core root of passing the virus will be in the workplace, so everyone home.

My wife works in a control room. Fully staffed 24 hours a day.  She’s been working throughout the lockdown. Not one case reported.

[Burndens Bogs]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Everybody’s been rocking up to work, pubs, beaches, theme parks, shops for past 2 months and cases aren’t rising. 

 

New cases have risen in the UK since early July

[tyldesley_white]

5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

My wife works in a control room. Fully staffed 24 hours a day.  She’s been working throughout the lockdown. Not one case reported.

Ive been working from home since March. no case in my home either and im in Houston one of the biggest centers for the virus in the US

[Spider]

Hancock's comments are just thick.

I actually agree that we need to be back at work, I just think his attitude is too relaxed. They need to emphasise the success we're having with masks & distancing etc..

Most of us can figure it out, but the masses have proved fairly thick.

The message about slowing the spread needs to be crystal.

[Nowack]

They can say what they want. Most London/International firms shut down before lockdown and most won't be back until next year. 

[Guest]

Zero hospital deaths

It’s over

[Not in Crawley]

18 minutes ago, Nowack said:

They can say what they want. Most London/International firms shut down before lockdown and most won't be back until next year. 

Yep.

[Farrelli]

36 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Zero hospital deaths

It’s over

Or distancing, masks and other controls are working.

[kent_white]

37 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Zero hospital deaths

It’s over

We've got 19 suspected cases at the hospital today. It's not! 

[mickbrown]

I’ll bet you pint the MPs aren’t back when they normally are. 

[burnden]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Zero hospital deaths

It’s over

1182 new cases today , 812 day before, 1089 day before that. Not finished yet fella

[Boby Brno]

More tests means more positive results. It certainly hasn’t gone away but it needs to be taken in context.

 

[Casino]

Aye, while BD and his conservativewoman chums are best ignored, more testing dors mean more positives

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, kent_white said:

We've got 19 suspected cases at the hospital today. It's not! 

How many have checked in?

I read 50 admitted across the UK, down from 3,000+ at peak (post peak infection)

[Casino]

52 minutes ago, kent_white said:

We've got 19 suspected cases at the hospital today. It's not! 

Suspected?

Does that mean people are being admitted with covid symptoms without checks or they are in patients who might have caught it on the wards?