Meanwhile in Israel

[DazBob]

If Iran say they suspected some Israeli baddies were hiding in the hospital then Israel will surely accept that it was perfectly fine.  After all, these things happen in war.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

And Iran has every right to defend itself

It does.

I don't fancy its chances however.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Bertie said:

The hospital bombing is disgusting, regardless of deliberate or accidental.

Just read this quote from the Israeli PM though……irony personified.
 

We're now hearing from Israel's president, Isaac Herzog.

Speaking about the hospital in Beersheba hit by Iranian strikes, Herzog says: "A baby in intensive care. A mother by their bedside. A doctor rushing between beds. An elderly resident in a nursing home. These were some of the targets of Iran’s missile attacks on Israeli civilians this morning."

He adds that "in moments like these, we are reminded of what’s truly at stake, and the values we are defending."

I was pointing out the other day that Israel are known to put military installations close to civilian population centres to discourage attacks. It doesn't look like it's worked, sadly. 

There must be hundreds of potential targets for Iran to hit. Especially so early on in the conflict - so I'm not having it that this was a target they had no option but to go for. 

Same as Gaza for me. Those poor people recieving treatment, in pain, frightened, vulnerable and surrounded by the people trying to help them. Maybe it's just my sensibilities and this is why I ended up as a nurse rather than a soldier*

The Israeli government I've less sympathy with. They've set the ground rules for what will no doubt and up being another savage conflict. A lot more innocents are going to die before we see an end to this. If we ever really do. Hearing them talk about a lack of humanity from Iran is particularly grim/hypocritical/galling. 

I expect Iran will try to shut down the Strait of Hormuz next. Then the shit really is going to hit the fan. Unless they completely capitulate and beg Trump for a deal? 

* I did actually visit the army recruitment centre when I was about 19. But I don't think someone with long hair and a lip ring in was the kind of recruit they were looking for! 😁 Still, I tried. 

[Spider]

Trump doesn’t know whether to have a shit or a haircut.

Still, he promised world peace so my hopes remain with the ginger menace.

[bolty58]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

* I did actually visit the army recruitment centre when I was about 19. But I don't think someone with long hair and a lip ring in was the kind of recruit they were looking for! 😁 Still, I tried. 

I can just see some Windsor Davies type sat at a desk, looks up when he hears the door close behind you and says "You can fuck off" 

[kent_white]

14 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I can just see some Windsor Davies type sat at a desk, looks up when he hears the door close behind you and says "You can fuck off" 

🤣🤣 - it wasn't a million miles away to be fair. 

He asked me if I took any drugs as I'd have to have a blood test - so I reeled off my list, which I thought would show honesty and integrity. Clearly these are qualities the army weren't interested as Windsor Davies was having none of it! 😁

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

It does.

I don't fancy its chances however.

Me neither, they'll be absolutely pummelled this weekend I suspect

[London Wanderer]

6 hours ago, Bertie said:

The hospital bombing is disgusting, regardless of deliberate or accidental.

Just read this quote from the Israeli PM though……irony personified.
 

We're now hearing from Israel's president, Isaac Herzog.

Speaking about the hospital in Beersheba hit by Iranian strikes, Herzog says: "A baby in intensive care. A mother by their bedside. A doctor rushing between beds. An elderly resident in a nursing home. These were some of the targets of Iran’s missile attacks on Israeli civilians this morning."

He adds that "in moments like these, we are reminded of what’s truly at stake, and the values we are defending."

As grim as it is … you really can’t help but think of the sheer irony of Herzog’s comments. 
 

The fckn hypocrite shouldn’t be allowed to exist either. 

& that’s coming from someone who’d quite like to see Iran’s regime & nuclear capabilities wiped out. 

[kent_white]

Whatever side of the debate you're on, please, please, please watch this! 

It's so rare to see real footage from inside Gaza - and with an English perspective on it too.

It's an absolutely brilliant documentary. Half an hour long. It's extremely hard to watch, and I'm usually quite stoic and hardened about these types of things. But if you want to see the reality - here it is.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-doctors-on-the-frontline-documentary-13385838

[London Wanderer]

All this the US will decide in 2 weeks nonsense 

Feels very much like it’s all planned & both the US & Israel have a clear plan.

Force them into a deal or attempt to take out the main site

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

All this the US will decide in 2 weeks nonsense 

Feels very much like it’s all planned & both the US & Israel have a clear plan.

Force them into a deal or attempt to take out the main site

Actually, I will tacitly give credit to the trumpton here.

I think his inherent cowardice might result in this being diffused before it goes spastic.

Fair play, you lilly-livered, yellow-bellied draft dodging old cunt.

[Zico]

14 hours ago, Blondi said:

Iran have attacked one of the biggest hospitals in Israel🫣

Who was hiding in it?

[green genie]

28 minutes ago, Zico said:

Who was hiding in it?

Hamas, keep up.

[DazBob]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

Whatever side of the debate you're on, please, please, please watch this! 

It's so rare to see real footage from inside Gaza - and with an English perspective on it too.

It's an absolutely brilliant documentary. Half an hour long. It's extremely hard to watch, and I'm usually quite stoic and hardened about these types of things. But if you want to see the reality - here it is.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-doctors-on-the-frontline-documentary-13385838

If it gives a balanced view then you've ruled a few out on here.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Who was hiding in it?

Lord Lucan.

[miamiwhite]

So then, just to clarify, have folk actually read the covenant of Hamas, the Al Quds memo, or even learnt a single thing from Bitter Lake 

 

[Bertie]

[kent_white]

8 hours ago, DazBob said:

If it gives a balanced view then you've ruled a few out on here.

It just gives a first hand account of English Doctors. 

But some of the footage is unbelievable. There's a bit where it shows people trying to access aid. They look like they are about to tear each other apart in desperation. And this is women and children too. 

It's mainly shot on mobile phones by the medics at the hospital. 

Quite apart from my own personal views on things - it's just a remarkable piece of footage, documenting one of the most important and consequential moments of our time. 

I hope people take some time to watch it. Maybe to challenge their own worldview if they're a bit blase about the suffering in Gaza - or if they think the stories are overblown by Hamas. And to see some incredibly brave Palestinians (and people from around the world) doing their absolute best to help the injured and dying. 

I doubt many people will take the time though. And that's really sad. 

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

It just gives a first hand account of English Doctors. 

But some of the footage is unbelievable. There's a bit where it shows people trying to access aid. They look like they are about to tear each other apart in desperation. And this is women and children too. 

It's mainly shot on mobile phones by the medics at the hospital. 

Quite apart from my own personal views on things - it's just a remarkable piece of footage, documenting one of the most important and consequential moments of our time. 

I hope people take some time to watch it. Maybe to challenge their own worldview if they're a bit blase about the suffering in Gaza - or if they think the stories are overblown by Hamas. And to see some incredibly brave Palestinians (and people from around the world) doing their absolute best to help the injured and dying. 

I doubt many people will take the time though. And that's really sad. 

It’s evidence at least that Hamas don’t control all the information coming out of Gaza. Which is why some have estimated the death toll to be even higher than Hamas say. 

[London Wanderer]

11 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

So then, just to clarify, have folk actually read the covenant of Hamas, the Al Quds memo, or even learnt a single thing from Bitter Lake 

 

The film highlights how Western powers often reduce complex conflicts to simplistic narratives, such as the "war on terror," which masks the underlying motivations and power dynamics
The film argues that this oversimplification, fueled by a desire to fit events into pre-existing narratives of good versus evil, has resulted in a cycle of intervention, failure, and disillusionment

Definitely not mate have they. You even see posts on here talking about this war being Israel vs ‘the baddies’. 
 

[kent_white]

49 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s evidence at least that Hamas don’t control all the information coming out of Gaza. Which is why some have estimated the death toll to be even higher than Hamas say. 

That's why it's so interesting. In the absence of a press corps in Gaza - this is as close to reality as we're likely to see. 

Like I said - it's an incredible watch it really is. 

[boltonboris]

On 19/06/2025 at 07:42, gonzo said:

It's gonna go off isn't it

Reckon we will join em?

Iran don't have the means for this to continue in the same pace. They have enough munitions / ballistics to last about 4-6 weeks at the current rate. They can't get more from Russia because well.. Obvs. They can't get more from China because they're saving them up for Taiwan presumably. 

Israel have them on tap from everyone else because CEO's of American & European finance companies.

However, Israel's defensive capabilities are apparently less than what Iran's attacking capabilities are, so whilst Israel will most likely win, there will be heavy, heavy casualties 

[Sweep]

29 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

Iran don't have the means for this to continue in the same pace. They have enough munitions / ballistics to last about 4-6 weeks at the current rate. They can't get more from Russia because well.. Obvs. They can't get more from China because they're saving them up for Taiwan presumably. 

Israel have them on tap from everyone else because CEO's of American & European finance companies.

However, Israel's defensive capabilities are apparently less than what Iran's attacking capabilities are, so whilst Israel will most likely win, there will be heavy, heavy casualties 

As long as it continues, the price of oil will continue to increase, especially if the Strait of Hormuz gets affected - oil price being driven up will help them pesky Russians, sadly.

I think even China know it would be daft to be seen helping Iran. We (and I mean the West) are not going to stop now until they get a regime change I suspect.......and look how well that worked with Iraq and Libya 

[deeane Koontz]

30 minutes ago, Sweep said:

As long as it continues, the price of oil will continue to increase, especially if the Strait of Hormuz gets affected - oil price being driven up will help them pesky Russians, sadly.

I think even China know it would be daft to be seen helping Iran. We (and I mean the West) are not going to stop now until they get a regime change I suspect.......and look how well that worked with Iraq and Libya 

It baffles me folk cheering this on like there'd be no actual consequences. It's as if there's some odd collective amnesia or something 😂

[Not in Crawley]

On 19/06/2025 at 09:44, kent_white said:

I was pointing out the other day that Israel are known to put military installations close to civilian population centres to discourage attacks. It doesn't look like it's worked, sadly. 

There must be hundreds of potential targets for Iran to hit. Especially so early on in the conflict - so I'm not having it that this was a target they had no option but to go for. 

Same as Gaza for me. Those poor people recieving treatment, in pain, frightened, vulnerable and surrounded by the people trying to help them. Maybe it's just my sensibilities and this is why I ended up as a nurse rather than a soldier*

The Israeli government I've less sympathy with. They've set the ground rules for what will no doubt and up being another savage conflict. A lot more innocents are going to die before we see an end to this. If we ever really do. Hearing them talk about a lack of humanity from Iran is particularly grim/hypocritical/galling. 

I expect Iran will try to shut down the Strait of Hormuz next. Then the shit really is going to hit the fan. Unless they completely capitulate and beg Trump for a deal? 

* I did actually visit the army recruitment centre when I was about 19. But I don't think someone with long hair and a lip ring in was the kind of recruit they were looking for! 😁 Still, I tried. 

You also spent all your wage on a massive bamboo windchime and some weed when you were 19. I think it was the lack of direction rather than the hair that was the issue 😁