Football Ventures

[Farnywhite]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Evatt is an integral part of the FV long term project so I will be amazed if on the back on Saturday he is sacked ,

I think he might quit but there is that about long term plan we did a deal with that player recruitment  company that worked for Liverpool . Not  long ago we gave them shares in the club so any new manger would have to be happy with going down the data analysis route for recruitment 

Edited May 20, 2024 by Farnywhite

[Rival Son]

15 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

Bod spends half is time out injured we need to get shut of him and Jerome just to create a extra couple of squad places loans apart we would end up with the same squad who have just failed us .

I can’t see there being much demand for the contracted players anyone leaving apart from say Baxter Charles and Collins would be looking at a lesser club 

I’d suggest removing Nlundulu is far more urgent than any other forward.

I may be a solo voice on this, but think Bod has been very unlucky in front of goal, this season. Overall, I’d say he hits the ball cleaner than all bar Collins of the forwards.

On a number of occasions his contact with the ball has been almost perfect, with the downside being it’s gone exactly where the keeper expects it. The header against Derby is a case in point.

He had a perfect finish at Carlisle chalked off for an awful offside decision.

By all means replace, but only if we’re sure better will be arriving. And Evatt’s track record on strikers isn’t great.

Edited May 20, 2024 by Rival Son

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

I’d suggest removing Nlundulu is far more urgent than any other forward.

I may be a solo voice on this, but think Bod has been very unlucky in front of goal, this season. Overall, I’d say he hits the ball cleaner than all bar Collins of the forwards.

On a number of occasions his contact with the ball has been almost perfect, with the downside being it’s gone exactly where the keeper expects it. The header against Derby is a case in point.

He had a perfect finish at Carlisle chalked off for an awful offside decision.

By all means replace, but only if we’re sure better will be replacing. And Evatt’s track record on strikers isn’t great.

If we could guarantee he’d be fit for majority of games it would be a no brainer to keep but that’s unlikely. 

[Farnywhite]

23 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

may be a solo voice on this, but think Bod has been very unlucky in front of goal, this season. Overall, I’d say he hits the ball cleaner than all bar Collins of the forwards.

I agree about is quality but age and injury’s I can’t see us getting any more out of him than we already have .
To give him a new contract then not being to move Dan and victor on were basically in the same position we are now going into next season 

[Zico]

2 hours ago, meanderson93 said:

Absolutely criminal that we didn't cash in last summer, we'll never get that opportunity again. 

we tried, but he didn't want to go

[waffer cup 07]

Thomasson up to Febuary was definately worth his place. Since all his booking an sending off, Dempsey should have replaced him.

[Big E]

43 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

I’d suggest removing Nlundulu is far more urgent than any other forward.

I may be a solo voice on this, but think Bod has been very unlucky in front of goal, this season. Overall, I’d say he hits the ball cleaner than all bar Collins of the forwards.

On a number of occasions his contact with the ball has been almost perfect, with the downside being it’s gone exactly where the keeper expects it. The header against Derby is a case in point.

He had a perfect finish at Carlisle chalked off for an awful offside decision.

By all means replace, but only if we’re sure better will be arriving. And Evatt’s track record on strikers isn’t great.

Bod, Nlundulu, victor and Jerome all not gonna get us where we want to be. 

[JimmyRiddle]

FV potted Hill when he became surplus to their plan so why would they be any different be with Evatt when the time comes.

SB - '..we believe it to be in the best interests of the club that we have a fresh approach to our management and coaching structure for the next season and beyond.'

Personally hoping to hear this statement again before long.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

13 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

FV potted Hill when he became surplus to their plan so why would they be any different be with Evatt when the time comes.

SB - '..we believe it to be in the best interests of the club that we have a fresh approach to our management and coaching structure for the next season and beyond.'

Personally hoping to hear this statement again before long.

I don't disagree, but Hill seemed to effectively be here on a season long trial (iirc he was given a one-year contract) whereas Evatt has a long-term contract and shares in the club

[Johnnyrotten]

On 19/05/2024 at 07:39, Ani said:

Dion 20 goals after injuries is a decent return, Collins is fine - not sure any of other 4 forwards Bod, CJ, Big Vic and Big Dan would be greatly missed

Midfield , Legohead and Sheehan have contributed, IMO Dempsey massively under used, Paris would not pay a fee for (think we stuck with him when injured yesterday and that was a mistake) Morley given a new contract but hardly plays. Need a leader in there who does not get booked every other game.

At the back.....I would not lose any sleep if any of them left or be too upset if any of them stayed other than Ogbetta. GJ has become better whilst injured but at least can play left side. Santos should not be captain. 
 

Keepers - the two are good enough for the level. 

A good summary, agree with much of it (but I'd pay a fee any day of the week for Maghoma, a class above this league).

Has Dion scored a league goal from open play this year?  I can't recall one, a great 1st half of the season (11 from open play) but doesn't look the same player to me and as we know he hardly ever gets goals in home games when teams defend deeper than away.  Its Collins and a new striker with a bit of physicality for me, Charles 3rd choice back up/sub or if we can get a fee, cash in.

I agree Santos is never a captain, but neither should Tomo be a guaranteed starter/captain the way he "tackles", and agreed Dempsey should play more but never a captain, never opens his mouth.  We need to bring a captain in as a priority.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Biggish Dave said:

Weak as piss yes but best finisher we have

And best header of a ball, and best at holding it up.  I'm not sure he's the best finisher, we know goalscoring isn't his best trait, but we massively missed his ability to link the play on Saturday whilst holding off defenders (unless he'd had a nightmare day like the rest of them).

I don't get the "weak" bit, I'd love to know who in the squad is stronger other than Santos, Iredale and Jerome.  We have a squad full of weak players and Bod isn't one of them IMO, its not like Vic who just gets his pocket picked easily.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

He's not though is he. Check his litenary of misses this season. 

Our biggest malaise was with him in the team. 

Granted there's much bigger fish to fry but we need to recruit some proper players instead of 300 strikers on the books with only 2 that can shoot.

With Bod in the team we didn't lose a home game and scored more goals than at any other time in the last couple of years.  Course it wasn't down to him, probably Collins mainly, but not sure where you get the malaise from, the football in home games in 2nd half of season was fantastic compared to 1st half, generally.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Farnywhite said:

Bod spends half is time out injured we need to get shut of him and Jerome just to create a extra couple of squad places loans apart we would end up with the same squad who have just failed us .

I can’t see there being much demand for the contracted players anyone leaving apart from say Baxter Charles and Collins would be looking at a lesser club 

Simply untrue.  Name a player that made more appearances in league and cup this season other than Cogley.  I'm not saying there weren't any, but I can't think of one.

[BeeversLeftPeg]

20 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Has Dion scored a league goal from open play this year? 

Barnsley in the playoffs.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 minute ago, BeeversLeftPeg said:

Barnsley in the playoffs.

Fair enough, one.  I'd only thought about league games, forgot about play offs, and yes that was a good finish.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Simply untrue.  Name a player that made more appearances in league and cup this season other than Cogley.  I'm not saying there weren't any, but I can't think of one.

Sheehan, Thomason, Dempsey, Toal, Morley, Maghoma

[BeeversLeftPeg]

3 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Fair enough, one.  I'd only thought about league games, forgot about play offs, and yes that was a good finish.

I know it had been a while in the league before that, I reckon Fleetwood away over Xmas before that? Couple of months out injured in fairness but if we fail to get him the service he'll always struggle. 

Collins has the ability to create something for himself, Dion is a poacher. Be interesting to see how they play with a full pre-season and full fitness under their belts.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Sheehan, Thomason, Dempsey, Toal, Morley, Maghoma

Good info!  So out of a squad of 20 odd, Bod made 8th most appearances (46). 

And that doesn't include being in the squad - ie fit and available - but an unused sub.  Not bad for an injury prone player.

[Farnywhite]

15 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Simply untrue.  Name a player that made more appearances in league and cup this season other than Cogley.  I'm not saying there weren't any, but I can't think of one.

Think bod started 11 games this season might not of been injured all the time but not being fully fit enough probably restricted him to being on the bench a lot . More appearances toal  Dempsey Morley Thomason Sheehan Paris . More minutes on the pitch the list is longer 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Good info!  So out of a squad of 20 odd, Bod made 8th most appearances (46). 

And that doesn't include being in the squad - ie fit and available - but an unused sub.  Not bad for an injury prone player.

I don't think it really tells the full story, though

There are others who also would've been fit and available but not picked

The facts are Bod was out injured in the run-in last season and had to be bedded back in on his return this season, and has been out injured during the run-in this season as well

I also think he's had other, briefer spells out with injury

All in all, it's not good and I certainly wouldn't want to us to be reliant on him maintaining fitness next season

[Johnnyrotten]

Nearly every player in the squad bar Dacres-Cogley has had a spell out injured.  6 of our virtually automatic picks - Baxter, Santos, Charles, Vic, Jones, Williams - all out for spells, Santos has had spells out injured a few times last couple of seasons, never once referred to as injury prone.  Dempsey another one.  I just don't get the singling out of Bod.

[Steejay]

2 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nearly every player in the squad bar Dacres-Cogley has had a spell out injured.  6 of our virtually automatic picks - Baxter, Santos, Charles, Vic, Jones, Williams - all out for spells, Santos has had spells out injured a few times last couple of seasons, never once referred to as injury prone.  Dempsey another one.  I just don't get the singling out of Bod.

Evatt only used him for the BSM games early in the season and repeatedly said that he wasn't up to the required levels for league games.

I think that's where the confusion is, although plenty of folks were wanting him to be given a go, Evatt was saying that he wasn't ready.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nearly every player in the squad bar Dacres-Cogley has had a spell out injured.  6 of our virtually automatic picks - Baxter, Santos, Charles, Vic, Jones, Williams - all out for spells, Santos has had spells out injured a few times last couple of seasons, never once referred to as injury prone.  Dempsey another one.  I just don't get the singling out of Bod.

He was unavailable through injury for 27 matches last season, and unavailable for the run-in (again) this season

And he's only getting older

I think it's pretty damning

[Farnywhite]

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nearly every player in the squad bar Dacres-Cogley has had a spell out injured.  6 of our virtually automatic picks - Baxter, Santos, Charles, Vic, Jones, Williams - all out for spells, Santos has had spells out injured a few times last couple of seasons, never once referred to as injury prone.  Dempsey another one.  I just don't get the singling out of Bod.

You could also say those players played far more minutes than bod so we’re more likely to get injured . Out of is eleven starts did he play 90 minutes ? .
i like him but with 5 strikers and only two out of contract we need to make space and at 31 he isn’t going to be getting any fitter or better 

[gonzo]

13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nearly every player in the squad bar Dacres-Cogley has had a spell out injured.  6 of our virtually automatic picks - Baxter, Santos, Charles, Vic, Jones, Williams - all out for spells, Santos has had spells out injured a few times last couple of seasons, never once referred to as injury prone.  Dempsey another one.  I just don't get the singling out of Bod.

He's not going to shag you mate