Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted May 19, 2024 Site Supporter Posted May 19, 2024 We need to be actively looking to improve and move on where necessary, and to show the owners that we know this season wasn’t good enough. We can’t do that until we know who’s the manager. Fortunately STs are sold for next season. Another great move by Sharon and FV. Quote
Moderators Casino Posted May 19, 2024 Moderators Posted May 19, 2024 10 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I'm bracing myself for the likelihood next season looks a lot like this Evatt still in charge and the bulk of the squad still with us Each to their own, id take that Baxter was odd yesterday but i dont think he sees his level as division 3 Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted May 19, 2024 Posted May 19, 2024 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ani said: I get everyone is available at a price, but I think we are now at a juncture where we need to be actively looking to move players on. We've a fair few in our squad who, for me, fall into the 'stuck with' category just now, on healthy contracts but underachieving. It all hinges on whether Evatt stays or goes, if he stays he'll not be rushing to ship out players he's persuaded FV to shell out significantly on, if he goes a new man may have different views on those players usefulness. Even then it'd be whether there are takers out there. Odds are those takers would be for the ones we'd less like to lose Edited May 19, 2024 by ianofcleveleys Quote
Moderators Casino Posted May 19, 2024 Moderators Posted May 19, 2024 Who the fuck are these idiots saying we couldnt afford to go up Seriously, just dont take them on I dont have the vocabulary so im going to go with disaster as my take on yestetday I honestly dont see how we are stronger in september than we are today Quote
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 19, 2024 Site Supporter Posted May 19, 2024 16 minutes ago, Casino said: Each to their own, id take that Baxter was odd yesterday but i dont think he sees his level as division 3 I'd take it too. Still convinced we'd have easily gone up automatically without the horrendous injury list at the beginning of the year. Something needs to seriously change about our big game mentality though. Evatt is young enough and hungry enough to improve. Hopefully yesterday forces him to have a closer look at those issues. Quote
Ani Posted May 19, 2024 Posted May 19, 2024 24 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said: We've a fair few in our squad who, for me, fall into the 'stuck with' category just now, on healthy contracts but underachieving. It all hinges on whether Evatt stays or goes, if he stays he'll not be rushing to ship out players he's persuaded FV to shell out significantly on, if he goes a new man may have different views on those players usefulness. Even then it'd be whether there are takers out there. Odds are those takers would be for the ones we'd less like to lose Evatt said when Legohead decided to stay that we would not force out players who did not want to leave. Not sure we can afford to be that 'nice'. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted May 19, 2024 Posted May 19, 2024 11 minutes ago, Ani said: Evatt said when Legohead decided to stay that we would not force out players who did not want to leave. Not sure we can afford to be that 'nice'. As you said, a testing time for Sharon and FV everything has (rightly) been about fostering community, togetherness, treating people well so far, all a lot easier when the trajectory has been consistently forward and there have been few if any bumps in the road. This is the first time, as an ownership team, they've come to a crossroads and may have to be not so nice Quote
Moderators Zico Posted May 19, 2024 Moderators Posted May 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Cheese said: I know they insist they had a plan for whatever league we ended up, but I really fear they've thrown everything they've got at it this season. I don't buy into the "we couldn't afford to go up" nonsense in the slightest. It's far more likely we couldn't afford not to. It's bollocks No one can not afford to go up You just go up, not buy anyone, not offer new contracts, then hope you stay up And probably get more in gate receipts A simplistic take maybe, but I'm arguing with simple people Quote
Leyther_Matt Posted May 19, 2024 Posted May 19, 2024 42 minutes ago, Zico said: It's bollocks No one can not afford to go up You just go up, not buy anyone, not offer new contracts, then hope you stay up And probably get more in gate receipts A simplistic take maybe, but I'm arguing with simple people And (can’t be arsed checking) a substantial difference in TV funding. Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 20, 2024 Site Supporter Posted May 20, 2024 12 hours ago, Ani said: Evatt said when Legohead decided to stay that we would not force out players who did not want to leave. Not sure we can afford to be that 'nice'. Not sure it's a case of being nice is it? Can't make anyone under contract leave, can only tell them they're not in his plans, and let them go if someone comes in. Quote
Ani Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 51 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not sure it's a case of being nice is it? Can't make anyone under contract leave, can only tell them they're not in his plans, and let them go if someone comes in. If a player is not wanted they can be persuaded to leave. Clubs and agents are talking all the time. When Bristol Ciity came in for Legohead we could have pushed him out and at the time 99% of our fans thought £1m for him was very good money. When we announce the retained list in next few days we can make it clear retained players are available for transfer either publically or behind the scenes. On the wider discussion about the team if we make better use of the loan market next season it would make a massive difference. Only 2 loan players started (I think) the final and on the day Ogbetta and Paris were amongst the worst in an awful team performance . Quote
Moderators Horwich Posted May 20, 2024 Moderators Posted May 20, 2024 I wouldn't be surprised if we resign Bod Quote
waffer cup 07 Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 42 minutes ago, Ani said: If a player is not wanted they can be persuaded to leave. Clubs and agents are talking all the time. When Bristol Ciity came in for Legohead we could have pushed him out and at the time 99% of our fans thought £1m for him was very good money. When we announce the retained list in next few days we can make it clear retained players are available for transfer either publically or behind the scenes. On the wider discussion about the team if we make better use of the loan market next season it would make a massive difference. Only 2 loan players started (I think) the final and on the day Ogbetta and Paris were amongst the worst in an awful team performance . Paris was injured from minute one and should have been taken off. Ogbetta is a kid and still learning. Quote
meanderson93 Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 I'm continuously baffled by people putting Thomason into "best" XIs and prospective lineups for next season, I think he's a dreadful footballer. His disciplinary record isn't because he's hard or an enforcer, it's because he's constantly late and reckless. Not a good technician, undisciplined in his role, doesn't drive us forward, doesn't screen the defence. He's just a nothing footballer and a liability off the ball. Absolutely criminal that we didn't cash in last summer, we'll never get that opportunity again. Quote
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted May 20, 2024 Site Supporter Posted May 20, 2024 32 minutes ago, Horwich said: I wouldn't be surprised if we resign Bod I'd give him another 12 months now Quote
gonzo Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 I bloody wouldn't. We need better than him if we want to be challenging. Lad can't score and is weak as piss. Quote
Ani Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 (edited) 18 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: Paris was injured from minute one and should have been taken off. Ogbetta is a kid and still learning. I know, Ogbetta is a kid and still learning is the same as not being good enough. Maybe one day but Saturday was too much for him. Taking players on loan from Championship clubs who are going to release them as soon as possible is not IMO using the loan system well, nor is getting Ashworth in and not playing him. And Calvin Ramsey ?? Edited May 20, 2024 by Ani Quote
Moderators Casino Posted May 20, 2024 Moderators Posted May 20, 2024 7 minutes ago, meanderson93 said: I'm continuously baffled by people putting Thomason into "best" XIs and prospective lineups for next season, I think he's a dreadful footballer. im just as baffled people cant see what he offers and when folk say hes dreadful, i wonder why im bothering replying his best performance of the season was against luton when we was the best mf on the pitch if thats not good enough, youre in for a life of disappointment his cards will hold him back, thats all Quote
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted May 20, 2024 Site Supporter Posted May 20, 2024 5 minutes ago, gonzo said: I bloody wouldn't. We need better than him if we want to be challenging. Lad can't score and is weak as piss. Weak as piss yes but best finisher we have Quote
kent_white Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 17 minutes ago, meanderson93 said: Not a good technician, undisciplined in his role, doesn't drive us forward, doesn't screen the defence. He's just a nothing footballer and a liability off the ball. He had a poor game on Saturday but didn't they all? I'd argue he's been one of our better players all season. And I think he always has his head up looking for a forward pass. Perhaps even more so than Sheehan which is odd seen as he's supposed to be our play maker. We all see things differently I suppose! Quote
gonzo Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 11 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: Weak as piss yes but best finisher we have He's not though is he. Check his litenary of misses this season. Our biggest malaise was with him in the team. Granted there's much bigger fish to fry but we need to recruit some proper players instead of 300 strikers on the books with only 2 that can shoot. Quote
Ani Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 Evatt is an integral part of the FV long term project so I will be amazed if on the back on Saturday he is sacked , long term projects do not change route on the back of a really shit day. The decision has to be made on the season as a whole, personally I think this is still a failure it was a very weak division and given the position we were in around Jan it has been a disappointing outcome. Although we finished higher than last season and made the play off final the level of progress is marginal and measured as an outcome there is no progress we are stuck in same league. Does this merit dropping Evatt ? I would think not but can see why others would. I think only way he goes is if he 'walks'. As recently as last week Sharon B was talking about running a club in a different way, the idea of sacking a manager who has got to play off final is the polar opposite of everything she preaches. There are some real challenges ahead and I do wonder how much of the summer transfer budget was taken up with the Collins fee. The flip side is how much was the drop off second half affected by injuries with which could we have gone straight up ? The most worrying thing about the debacle on Saturday that there have been numerous games this season where we have been equally bad twice v Wigan, Carlisle and Bristol Rovers at home, Blackpool away. And other games where we have had terrible 45 minutes such as Northampton away, Reading away, Orient at home. But our manager and players seem shocked it happened. My mate text me after the game ' I can not believe what I have just seen, but not that surprised either.' We all knew we had these performances in our DNA ( as seems the trend to describe stuff these days) This post has become a bit of a brain dump but trying to take the anger and emotion away from Saturday I think Evatt stays if he wants to, the way we are trying to operate as a club is more about 'circling the wagons' than kicking someone out. If he does go there would be plenty wanting the job , I would personally be tempted to consider Nolan , all the coaching credentials, history at the club, new manager at West Ham might want his own team in. Lack of management experience but hardly held Ipswich back when they went down that route. Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted May 20, 2024 Members Posted May 20, 2024 I don't doubt Sharon would be against sacking Evatt but it'd be interesting to what the other investors are thinking Quote
TrickyTrotter Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 1 hour ago, Ani said: I know, Ogbetta is a kid and still learning is the same as not being good enough. Maybe one day but Saturday was too much for him. Taking players on loan from Championship clubs who are going to release them as soon as possible is not IMO using the loan system well, nor is getting Ashworth in and not playing him. Ogbeta is 23, hardly a kid. He’s hopeless defensively (I know he’s a WB) and very inconsistent going forward. Ashworth at 21 would be a better bet if we had to choose between the 2 of them. Quote
Farnywhite Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 Bod spends half is time out injured we need to get shut of him and Jerome just to create a extra couple of squad places loans apart we would end up with the same squad who have just failed us . I can’t see there being much demand for the contracted players anyone leaving apart from say Baxter Charles and Collins would be looking at a lesser club Quote
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