Sweep Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, mickbrown said: And apparently they're not that heavily invested. UK pensions funds own 0.2 % of Shell and BP. I assumed it was more than that and closer to 1% or 2% Anyway, as you say, they would/could just move them somewhere else, there just might be an initial hit - but if it is only 0.2%, then fuck it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sweep said: I assumed it was more than that and closer to 1% or 2% Anyway, as you say, they would/could just move them somewhere else, there just might be an initial hit - but if it is only 0.2%, then fuck it So did I. But apparently not. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/08/windfall-tax-on-oil-giants-wont-hurt-british-pensioners-thinktank-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 This doesn't make for comfortable reading....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62550069 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted August 16, 2022 Author Share Posted August 16, 2022 Cant see another lock down happening any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 1 hour ago, kent_white said: This doesn't make for comfortable reading....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62550069 It's not, but with inflation being as it is, then it's to be expected unfortunately - it's could get a whole lot worse as well over the coming weeks/months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 16, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 16, 2022 4 hours ago, kent_white said: This doesn't make for comfortable reading....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62550069 Hardly surprising. Bleeding obvious in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Hardly surprising. Bleeding obvious in fact. B, br, bre, brex...... No I'm not saying it because I love you! 😁😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 With energy bills going up, I've looked at getting some solar panels - as I live in the south and have a south facing roof, then I thought it'd be worth investigating. I'm currently being quoted £11K for 2.31kW of panels (I can't get anymore on my room because of the dormers apparently) with a 6.5kW battery - bearing in mind I only use around 10kW per day (average over the year) then I reckon it would/could/should pay for itself in around 5 or 6 years, provided electricity prices don't all of a sudden take a massive reverse in pricing...... I'm tempted, but of course laying out £11K is something that needs to be considered Anybody on here taken the plunge and gone for solar with battery storage or considering it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 18, 2022 Moderators Share Posted August 18, 2022 do you live on peasant st, peasantville id rather die cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 54 minutes ago, Casino said: do you live on peasant st, peasantville id rather die cold that's one of my concerns as well, as I really don't like how they look I'd not be remotely considering it if they were at the front of the house, but they'd be at the back. I could also reduce the number of panels and just stick them on one of the outbuildings, but then I've got to cable that back to the house, which would probably be a bit of a faff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Sweep said: With energy bills going up, I've looked at getting some solar panels - as I live in the south and have a south facing roof, then I thought it'd be worth investigating. I'm currently being quoted £11K for 2.31kW of panels (I can't get anymore on my room because of the dormers apparently) with a 6.5kW battery - bearing in mind I only use around 10kW per day (average over the year) then I reckon it would/could/should pay for itself in around 5 or 6 years, provided electricity prices don't all of a sudden take a massive reverse in pricing...... I'm tempted, but of course laying out £11K is something that needs to be considered Anybody on here taken the plunge and gone for solar with battery storage or considering it? mate has it not the Battery bit think he paid £25k a few year ago but the gov pays him about 45p a KW for the next 25 years think it works out between £300 and £600 every 3 months he gets back think the gov fucked up did it for 12 months then dropped it down to 25p per KW so was not worth doing after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, little whitt said: mate has it not the Battery bit think he paid £25k a few year ago but the gov pays him about 45p a KW for the next 25 years think it works out between £300 and £600 every 3 months he gets back think the gov fucked up did it for 12 months then dropped it down to 25p per KW so was not worth doing after that it's down to about 5p now - that's why battery storage is a good thing, as you keep everything you generate. It's just not worth selling it back to the grid now, you may as well keep it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Sweep said: With energy bills going up, I've looked at getting some solar panels - as I live in the south and have a south facing roof, then I thought it'd be worth investigating. I'm currently being quoted £11K for 2.31kW of panels (I can't get anymore on my room because of the dormers apparently) with a 6.5kW battery - bearing in mind I only use around 10kW per day (average over the year) then I reckon it would/could/should pay for itself in around 5 or 6 years, provided electricity prices don't all of a sudden take a massive reverse in pricing...... I'm tempted, but of course laying out £11K is something that needs to be considered Anybody on here taken the plunge and gone for solar with battery storage or considering it? I'd like to think you'd find a ways to harness the last dregs of energy from the SAD crowd in the winter months. If it existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, deane koontz said: I'd like to think you'd find a ways to harness the last dregs of energy from the SAD crowd in the winter months. If it existed. which it doesn't 😉 You'll be suggesting next that left handed people really exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 18, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2022 On 16/08/2022 at 18:35, kent_white said: B, br, bre, brex...... No I'm not saying it because I love you! 😁😉 Meanwhile the rest of the western world shoots ahead with minimal inflation. C, Co, cov... P, Pu, Put... Q, qu, qua... Keep an eye on the krauts too. They were bitching about Poland recently over coal use. Now they're back on it themselves. It's a mess all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 18, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Sweep said: it's down to about 5p now - that's why battery storage is a good thing, as you keep everything you generate. It's just not worth selling it back to the grid now, you may as well keep it. You'd imagine that the energy companies would not be interested in buying it at a higher price now- maybe cheaper than their current generation methods. I've thought about solar- especially ground based ones- you're not restricted by load bearing capacity of the roof and installation costs are lower. Also thinking about a small wind turbine down the garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Meanwhile the rest of the western world shoots ahead with minimal inflation. C, Co, cov... P, Pu, Put... Q, qu, qua... Keep an eye on the krauts too. They were bitching about Poland recently over coal use. Now they're back on it themselves. It's a mess all over. Which accounts for a lot of it. But not why we're doing worse than the EU. What's qua by the way? Have I got something else to be worried about? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Sweep said: With energy bills going up, I've looked at getting some solar panels - as I live in the south and have a south facing roof, then I thought it'd be worth investigating. I'm currently being quoted £11K for 2.31kW of panels (I can't get anymore on my room because of the dormers apparently) with a 6.5kW battery - bearing in mind I only use around 10kW per day (average over the year) then I reckon it would/could/should pay for itself in around 5 or 6 years, provided electricity prices don't all of a sudden take a massive reverse in pricing...... I'm tempted, but of course laying out £11K is something that needs to be considered Anybody on here taken the plunge and gone for solar with battery storage or considering it? £11k is small change for one of the £250k a year inner circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 18, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, kent_white said: Which accounts for a lot of it. But not why we're doing worse than the EU. What's qua by the way? Have I got something else to be worried about? 😁 As I said elsewhere, we weren't doing worse until recently- so does that mean everyone should have left the eu as they were worse? Quantitative easing. Been a fly in the ointment for years, and was always going to cause a problem at some point. Perhaps it would have been manageable, but the war has catalysed its effect. https://www.ft.com/content/6956ac78-1066-4312-a636-08fa4bf7683e In depth article, but essentially we've been building up to inflationary problems. We're not the only nation to have done it though; a go to solution after 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, tomski said: £11k is small change for one of the £250k a year inner circle. £250k? He’s no @birch-chorley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: As I said elsewhere, we weren't doing worse until recently- so does that mean everyone should have left the eu as they were worse? Quantitative easing. Been a fly in the ointment for years, and was always going to cause a problem at some point. Perhaps it would have been manageable, but the war has catalysed its effect. https://www.ft.com/content/6956ac78-1066-4312-a636-08fa4bf7683e In depth article, but essentially we've been building up to inflationary problems. We're not the only nation to have done it though; a go to solution after 2008. I take your point - but surely some of the inflationary pressure must have come from leaving the EU? Anyway - I'm going to try and get.back to sleep now. Bloody insomnia! https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/brexit-driving-inflation-higher-uk-its-european-peers-after-identical-supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DazBob Posted August 19, 2022 Members Share Posted August 19, 2022 Just caught a snippet of a headline on the news saying families will have to make a choice of skipping meals or putting the heating on this winter. Sorry, not having that for 99% of families. A family can eat for a cost of almost fuck all. It just means actually using pans and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Are the media being a touch sensationalist again like when we had those 2 days of hot weather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 19, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted August 19, 2022 7 hours ago, kent_white said: I take your point - but surely some of the inflationary pressure must have come from leaving the EU? Anyway - I'm going to try and get.back to sleep now. Bloody insomnia! https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/brexit-driving-inflation-higher-uk-its-european-peers-after-identical-supply An interesting article, but as someone who has spoken about confirmation bias, you'll know all about it. Someone else could quite easily write an article with a different set of stats, facts etc and come up with a different angle. It's certainly the case that as yet, brexit benefits are hidden the big issues of the day, and that the initial bumps in the road that we knew would come along have been felt, so things aren't great at the moment. The world's biggest windfall is in the process of opening (Hornsea 2) which is an indicator of the continued pursuit of an energy policy that is expensive at the moment (green levies) but should see us better off in the long run. We've heard a lot about potentially dropping them for a while, to reduce bills. If this happened it would reduce inflationary pressures. If that happened and the figures dropped, would folk then be saying brexit is causing problems? Despite the fact that the policy has been pursued by successive governments and isn't anything to do with leaving the EU. It is interesting that the article fails to mention any of that and the problems that Germany has are anticipated to get significantly worse very soon. The rest is genral language with no specifics. I wonder if they'll come back with another article if the issues there do indeed worsen or last longer than elsewhere? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 hours ago, DazBob said: Just caught a snippet of a headline on the news saying families will have to make a choice of skipping meals or putting the heating on this winter. Sorry, not having that for 99% of families. A family can eat for a cost of almost fuck all. It just means actually using pans and stuff. its like poor kids going hungry in the school holidays the little cunts have new iPhones mum and (anyone of there dads) big new Tvs on the wall this £1200 they will get towards the heating cost That's on Cigs Ale and Bing it will never make it too the meter all the Doom and Gloom on the News at the Min Even got me Panicing Back to GERMANY to keep warm and Eat 3 meals a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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