Meanwhile In England

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I won’t post it here because I know people don’t like it but there was a call today where James O Brien completely took down someone who clearly doesn’t understand the asylum system yet are very angry by it.

 

The Tory government have to take huge blame here. They’ve spent the last five years refusing to be honest about it. Pretending that people crossing the channel are ‘illegals’ - they can’t be illegal if they are requesting asylum and aren’t illegal until such a point as it is determined they don’t have a valid claim. Racking up a 6M a day bill by not processing them. Pretending they were going to fly them all to Rwanda. A complete lie and no wonder the mess we are in and the lack of comprehension on the issue generally. 
 

This isn’t just happening here it’s happening all over. Any solution would need full international cooperation. And frankly solutions need to be found because the problem is only going to get worse. The western world is now very easy to get to from troubled regions. 

 

It'll get worse once the global temperatures move up a few degrees 

All those hot countries will become inhabitable and full of drought and stuff 

And most of them are currently home to blacks, browns and Muslims who will come looking for cooler places to live

[frank_spencer]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

And this is my point and this is why people are rightly getting pissed off. John and Jill can’t get an house but people who have so far contributed nothing can. 

People here as asylum seekers get the same rating towards social housing as homeless Brits who are homeless through no fault of their own. If they've got kids then they get a higher slot.

Immigrants don't qualify for social housing straight off the bat. Most will be living in ex council property owned by a buy to let landlord.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

People here as asylum seekers get the same rating towards social housing as homeless Brits who are homeless through no fault of their own. If they've got kids then they get a higher slot.

Immigrants don't qualify for social housing straight off the bat. Most will be living in ex council property owned by a buy to let landlord.

Love to know how these folk escaping from faraway shit holes are capable of finding the money to do that. 

[Nowack]

We have had people seeking asylum and it being granted for many years. Bloke on TV who had his shop looted came from Iraq seven years ago, I assume he was living somewhere and paying taxes making a contribution to society so why could the others who are awaiting a decision not do so.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Love to know how these folk escaping from faraway shit holes are capable of finding the money to do that. 

They find the money to pay traffickers shit loads to smuggle them across Europe. Missing out plenty of safe places along the way.

Must be loaded eh?

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, royal white said:

And this is my point and this is why people are rightly getting pissed off. John and Jill can’t get an house but people who have so far contributed nothing can. 

This is the classic ‘people fed up with immigrants’ thing when the reality is the blame is not there.

Let’s say 100K genuine asylum claimants and all need their own property. That’s 100K homes. But our social housing waiting list is way over 1M. 
 

So the extra pressure from migrants is barely a dent, compared to the abject lack of social house building since the 90’s. But especially the last decade. It’s fallen off a cliff.

So be angry at the last government for failing to do what they should have done. For being on the side of landlords and housing developers. And demand we start building like crazy.

 

 

[radcliffe white]

Some clown on sky reckons not much happening tonight as football fans will side with the right at weekend and cause bigger problems 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

This is the classic ‘people fed up with immigrants’ thing when the reality is the blame is not there.

Let’s say 100K genuine asylum claimants and all need their own property. That’s 100K homes. But our social housing waiting list is way over 1M. 
 

So the extra pressure from migrants is barely a dent, compared to the abject lack of social house building since the 90’s. But especially the last decade. It’s fallen off a cliff.

So be angry at the last government for failing to do what they should have done. For being on the side of landlords and housing developers. And demand we start building like crazy.

 

 

I’m pretty sure the majority are also pissed off with the governments. And it’s not the just last decade, governments have been massively over paying landlords for 20 years that I know of.

 

And I’m not sure how 100k houses is barely a dent. 

[Winchester White]

Build a load of tower blocks, what could go wrong?

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Company director?

He works for his dad fitting flat pack kitchens FFS.
Any cunt can be a company director. I'm the MD at our place.

It's only a taxation dodge... set up a limited company and pay yourself just below the NI threshold and take the rest in dividend... hope he gets done for terrorism and ends up in a cat A... they will love him in there... all depressive, psycho-deranged maniacs

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m pretty sure the majority are also pissed off with the governments. And it’s not the just last decade, governments have been massively over paying landlords for 20 years that I know of.

 

And I’m not sure how 100k houses is barely a dent. 

Sure but social housing construction fell off a cliff since 2010. Indeed we are losing more houses from it through right to buy than we are constructing.

It’s an issue to be angry at the government for not migrants. 100K extra (which would have been spread again if the last government weren’t useless) is barely here nor there if we constructed at a proper rate.

The fault lies entirely with the right political ideology that has failed these communities. 

 

[Dimron]

32 minutes ago, Nowack said:

We have had people seeking asylum and it being granted for many years. Bloke on TV who had his shop looted came from Iraq seven years ago, I assume he was living somewhere and paying taxes making a contribution to society so why could the others who are awaiting a decision not do so.

I had a really eye opening conversation t'other week with a couple of Romanians at work... although settled over here and paying their taxes they don't use (or trust) our NHS... if they or their family need anything medical they go home for it, shorter waiting lists and better hospitals and dentists... therefore they are not a drain on the NHS

[frank_spencer]

38 minutes ago, royal white said:

Love to know how these folk escaping from faraway shit holes are capable of finding the money to do that. 

Because they're immigrants not asylum seekers like the vast majority of folk arriving on these shores are.

[frank_spencer]

38 minutes ago, Nowack said:

We have had people seeking asylum and it being granted for many years. Bloke on TV who had his shop looted came from Iraq seven years ago, I assume he was living somewhere and paying taxes making a contribution to society so why could the others who are awaiting a decision not do so.

They're not allowed to work until their case is decided. Coming from Iraq during the conflict was much like Hong Kongers and Ukrainians now a much quicker and supposedly expedited process.

Once they are granted asylum they can get a job. Work before then and get caught and it's back from whence you came for breaking the terms of your right to remain.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Sure but social housing construction fell off a cliff since 2010. Indeed we are losing more houses from it through right to buy than we are constructing.

It’s an issue to be angry at the government for not migrants. 100K extra (which would have been spread again if the last government weren’t useless) is barely here nor there if we constructed at a proper rate.

The fault lies entirely with the right political ideology that has failed these communities. 

 

Sure I read somewhere that more were built under the last government than the previous Labour one? 
 

Anyway none of it answers my question about where they go after being processed. 

[frank_spencer]

Just now, royal white said:

Sure I read somewhere that more were built under the last government than the previous Labour one? 
 

Anyway none of it answers my question about where they go after being processed. 

Into the massive pile of people waiting on social housing or get a job and rent private 

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Because they're immigrants not asylum seekers like the vast majority of folk arriving on these shores are.

I know, and as I said it’s surprising how they can find money coming from these far away shit holes.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, frank_spencer said:

Into the massive pile of people waiting on social housing or get a job and rent private 

So rent private. I’m guessing they’re all coming over with a few grand in their pocket to get started then 

[Zico]

so the protests were organised for 7.15pm

people start saying on FB they've seen people heading towards the vacinity, masks and stuff

then at 5pm, two full hours before, GMP say nothing happening in Stockport

 

well no, it's organised for 7.15pm

then by 6.30pm TGIs car park is busy full of protesters, apparently all peaceful, so far, but no police presence

there's also a mosque down the road, police presence there, but no protesters

 

 

[Nowack]

10 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

They're not allowed to work until their case is decided. Coming from Iraq during the conflict was much like Hong Kongers and Ukrainians now a much quicker and supposedly expedited process.

Once they are granted asylum they can get a job. Work before then and get caught and it's back from whence you came for breaking the terms of your right to remain.

Agreed, I was just pointing out that once awarded asylum they don't necessarily all become scroungers on the state, which I maybe misunderstood what was being suggested.

[L/H White]

can confirm the golf course was quiet tonight 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

Sure I read somewhere that more were built under the last government than the previous Labour one? 
 

Anyway none of it answers my question about where they go after being processed. 

https://england.shelter.org.uk/support_us/campaigns/social_housing_deficit

[FrancisFogarty]

I heard there was a bit of a rumpus due up Astley Bridge but I’ve been bowling there and the worst thing I saw was my performance. The only cussing I heard was from me.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Not sure it would, at the moment people coming in are sponsored by the company bringing them in and only allowed in when there is a need. It is one of things we could actually control and do something about. 
 

At the moment we have thousands of people some of whom are no doubt cunts but we are not processing them , loads were 'processed' in an attempt to fudge the figures but they are still sat in hostels being paid for. Should take 6 months had hit 18 months about 12 months ago. Cheese posted the costs earlier in the thread, surely getting the blockage resolved is something to consider? 

I think we could find it difficult to legally defend granting a right to remain to people who in ordinary circumstances would have no legal right to be here ahead of people who apply via the appropriate channels

[Spider]

Tonight was always going to be a non event

Its Wednesday.

Footy back at the weekend so I’d say we’ve seen the last of this years rioting now