Meanwhile In England

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly8n6r6glgo

Gone to pot all this now. 

What a mess.

Same was happening in the military when I was in. Pen pushing offices knobs pretending they’re doing everyone a favour and in reality they’re only bothered about their own career . 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

53 minutes ago, royal white said:

Same was happening in the military when I was in. Pen pushing offices knobs pretending they’re doing everyone a favour and in reality they’re only bothered about their own career . 

The same issues within lots of authorities- what allowed grooming gangs in Rochdale.

[boltonboris]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The same issues within lots of authorities- what allowed grooming gangs in Rochdale.

What was the quote? “Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.”

[kent_white]

28 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

What was the quote? “Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.”

Yes - it was a Owen Jones ironic tweet that she liked and shared (and then deleted). Presumably counting on people to get the joke.

Not the brightest thing to do in her position - but some people make out like she actually said or meant it. Which is berserk! 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

42 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

What was the quote? “Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity.”

Not something I know about, so I'll take your word.

Totally irrelevant to the point I made though.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

14 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Yes - it was a Owen Jones ironic tweet that she liked and shared (and then deleted). Presumably counting on people to get the joke.

Not the brightest thing to do in her position - but some people make out like she actually said or meant it. Which is berserk! 

I think you're probably giving her too much credit

It was tweet from an account which was a parody of Owen Jones and she both liked and retweeted it, before later claiming she'd done so as an accident

And it happened days after she'd been publicly critical of fellow MP Sarah Champion speaking out about the Rotherham scandal

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think you're probably giving her too much credit

It was tweet from an account which was a parody of Owen Jones and she both liked and retweeted it, before later claiming she'd done so as an accident

And it happened days after she'd been publicly critical of fellow MP Sarah Champion speaking out about the Rotherham scandal

Three ways of looking at it I suppose.

1) She shared a joke (parody) tweet and then deleted it when she saw people were taking it seriously. 

2) She shared what she thought was a reasonable point someone had made about silencing people making accusations of rape for the good of diversity. And then deleted it when she saw people were taking it seriously and it was putting her career at risk.

3) She accidently liked and shared it.

I reckon that on balance - #1 sounds the most likely. But that's just me. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

All of which is fluff, after the event. 

We all know what the problems were/are, but unfortunately I'm not convinced they'll ever be properly addressed, and certainly not for a good while. 

 

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

All of which is fluff, after the event. 

We all know what the problems were/are, but unfortunately I'm not convinced they'll ever be properly addressed, and certainly not for a good while. 

 

Yeah but there's loads of other rapes and stuff so none of it matters.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Yeah but there's loads of other rapes and stuff so none of it matters.

 

Seems so.

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

All of which is fluff, after the event. 

We all know what the problems were/are, but unfortunately I'm not convinced they'll ever be properly addressed, and certainly not for a good while. 

 

I don't know. 10 years ago or so it seemed rife. But it seems to be less of an issue than it was? Or do you think it's still going on bit being brushed under the carpet?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Three ways of looking at it I suppose.

1) She shared a joke (parody) tweet and then deleted it when she saw people were taking it seriously. 

2) She shared what she thought was a reasonable point someone had made about silencing people making accusations of rape for the good of diversity. And then deleted it when she saw people were taking it seriously and it was putting her career at risk.

3) She accidently liked and shared it.

I reckon that on balance - #1 sounds the most likely. But that's just me. 

I think there's probably a fourth interpretation, which is that she's not particularly bright

See her tweet re. Winnie Mandela

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't know. 10 years ago or so it seemed rife. But it seems to be less of an issue than it was? Or do you think it's still going on bit being brushed under the carpet?

Specifically with regard to these grooming gangs, then I think there have been improvements in getting folk in the dock.

I don't think the underlying problem within the communities is any different, and maybe worse.

There is an even wider issue though around folk being scared of saying things, whether that's over race, gender ideology, politics and history etc.

It's rife in local government, with all manner of official hoops to go through.

Stupid, time wasting, and unnecessary rules, dreamt up by folk just trying to justify their role.

Also present in education, from primary to universities. 

[kent_white]

18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Specifically with regard to these grooming gangs, then I think there have been improvements in getting folk in the dock.

I don't think the underlying problem within the communities is any different, and maybe worse.

There is an even wider issue though around folk being scared of saying things, whether that's over race, gender ideology, politics and history etc.

It's rife in local government, with all manner of official hoops to go through.

Stupid, time wasting, and unnecessary rules, dreamt up by folk just trying to justify their role.

Also present in education, from primary to universities. 

I take your point mate. I think we hit 'max woke' a few years ago and things seems to be balancing themselves a bit more of late. That's my take on it anyway! 😁

[Cheese]

35 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Yeah but there's loads of other rapes and stuff so none of it matters.

There is. But Tommy and his lot are only outraged by the brown ones for some reason.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

The Grooming Gangs Task force set up last year arrested hundred in its first twelve months

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

I think probably a majority of the arrests relate to offending that isn't current, but I don't think there's any doubt it continues to this day

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The Grooming Gangs Task force set up last year arrested hundred in its first twelve months

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/grooming-gangs-taskforce-arrests-hundreds-in-first-year

I think probably a majority of the arrests relate to offending that isn't current, but I don't think there's any doubt it continues to this day

One thing seems for sure is that the only time now we hear about them is when we see mug shots of several blokes who've been tried and convicted 

They'll probably never go away so at least it's good to see them getting caught and sent down 

And hopefully that means less Rotherham type issues and better policing these days 

We don't need reporters like Tommy Robinson telling us it's going on, we know, and whenever he sticks his nose in he's generally getting it wrong anyway

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

One thing seems for sure is that the only time now we hear about them is when we see mug shots of several blokes who've been tried and convicted 

They'll probably never go away so at least it's good to see them getting caught and sent down 

And hopefully that means less Rotherham type issues and better policing these days 

We don't need reporters like Tommy Robinson telling us it's going on, we know, and whenever he sticks his nose in he's generally getting it wrong anyway

Indeed.

Hopefully we will get to a point where we won't need whistle blowers or even worse folk like TR jumping all over it.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Indeed.

Hopefully we will get to a point where we won't need whistle blowers or even worse folk like TR jumping all over it.

 

Absolutely. 

Change the ethos, and get rid of the crackpot attitudes towards governance.

Mother in law worked in education for a good while. 

She has many stories and experience of how things started to change. For the worse.

Won't post any, as there will be the usual bollocks flying around over it all.

[BobyBrno]

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

[captainmed]

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

Yes.

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

Remember the riots a few weeks ago?

[Sweep]

13 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

I've seen him on the news quite a lot, you've done well never to have seen or heard from him other than on here. You should count yourself lucky. He's an awful man. 

[Jol_BWFC]

9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

He’s very influential to some people, mainly the gullible right wing moron types (not all right wing people are morons and/or gullible).

He’s also newsworthy so gets a lot of attention. He’ll get more when he’s done for contempt of court when he comes back to the UK.

Anyone know if he’s still on the run?

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

I've seen him on the news quite a lot, you've done well never to have seen or heard from him other than on here. You should count yourself lucky. He's an awful man. 

I never said I’d never heard of him. I first heard of him on here a few years ago. I asked if he was that influential.