Meanwhile In England

[Zico]

22 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

He's a figurehead for the far right and as such these days turns up all over the place given half a chance 

And yeah, he's influential for folk of a similar mindset who give him money to do what he does as he can't actually really earn much money just posting anger filled rants on Twitter 

So he gets himself arrested for saying it like it is, then sets up a go fund me account to pay for his legal fees which he spends on drugs

Some folk lap it up and sing his name at protests and all sorts

[BobyBrno]

Maybe I move in different circles but he never comes up in conversations that I have with people outside of this forum.

[MancWanderer]

24 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

Have to admit I’m similar. I don’t do the cesspit known as Twitter so any knowledge I have of him is mainly from here and lots of stuff seems to be have lifted from there. Although he obviously came to prominence during the grooming trials and the recent riots so was reported in various news outlets 

Then again, there’s other names bandied about on here, both Right and Left, that mean nothing to me. One example being Laurence Fox. I hear about him often but really don’t know who he is? I have no desire to start googling 

Maybe it’s an age and can’t be arsed thing?

[captainmed]

8 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I never said I’d never heard of him. I first heard of him on here a few years ago. I asked if he was that influential. 

He’s very influential. 

I guess he would class himself as “A working class hero - a voice for the forgotten white working class UK man”.

[Zico]

15 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe I move in different circles but he never comes up in conversations that I have with people outside of this forum.

Me neither 

Though that applies to many topics on here

 

[Cheese]

25 minutes ago, captainmed said:

He’s very influential. 

I guess he would class himself as “A working class hero - a voice for the forgotten white working class UK man”.

I'm a "white working class UK man", and I think he's a cunt. He's a voice for white supremacists and thick racists, regardless of their class.

Edited August 22, 2024 by Cheese

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I'm a "white working class UK man", and I think he's a cunt. He's a voice for white supremacists and thick racists, regardless of their class.

Coming from a white man who refers to  a group of brown men as Muslim wankers. 
 

He really gets under your skin old Tommy Boy doesn’t he. 

[Jol_BWFC]

26 minutes ago, captainmed said:

He’s very influential. 

I guess he would class himself as “A working class hero - a voice for the forgotten white working class UK man”.

He can class himself as anything he wants, it doesn’t mean it’s true.

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I'm a "white working class UK man", and I think he's a cunt. He's a voice for white supremacists and thick racists, regardless of their class.

You're losing your touch. Normally you would ask which "white working class men" have been forgotten, and who has actually forgotten about them. 😁

Edited August 22, 2024 by Sweep

[Spider]

On 21/08/2024 at 00:13, Casino said:

Im honestly not interested whose been in charge

Fwiw, until 10 years ago, id not have touched labour with a bargepole

I remember power cuts and green goddesses and i was happy to see thatcher take the unions down, i supported the sale of council houses and allowing the public to own prev nationalised businesses

Im willing to open my eyes and say much of what i supported has turned to shit

Not cos of immigrants, but because much of it was short sighted, evidenced by the spiral of shit we are now in

I dont see anybody sorting it out if im honest, but i sure as fuck wasnt up for giving that set of corrupt, self serving set of cunts any longer laughing at me

Bang. On.

[Spider]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I'm a "white working class UK man", and I think he's a cunt. He's a voice for white supremacists and thick racists, regardless of their class.

Do you think Twitter has helped him reach a wider audience?

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

Coming from a white man who refers to  a group of brown men as Muslim wankers. 
 

He really gets under your skin old Tommy Boy doesn’t he. 

He's not going to shag you mate.

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Absolutely. 

Change the ethos, and get rid of the crackpot attitudes towards governance.

Mother in law worked in education for a good while. 

She has many stories and experience of how things started to change. For the worse.

Won't post any, as there will be the usual bollocks flying around over it all.

Aw come on

 This is a safe space 😁

What’s changed in education to allow things such as the grooming scandal? 

[London Wanderer]

35 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

He can class himself as anything he wants, it doesn’t mean it’s true.

Surely nobody is deluded enough to think the majority of white working class men worship Tommy Robinson.

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, captainmed said:

He’s very influential. 

I guess he would class himself as “A working class hero - a voice for the forgotten white working class UK man”.

He might class himself as that. But as another white working class UK man - if he's the best we can do then we really are fucked! 

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, kent_white said:

Strangely - I saw the same story (and thought the same thing). 

I think one of the people they interviewed said they were "treated like an animal" by their white colleagues. And it was all anonymous - with no right to reply or contextualisation. 

Another interviewee mentioned something like "people stare at me funny because I look different to them" or words to that effect. That's so incredibly subjective. I'm not sure where you even go with that? Even if it were a true reflection. 

The way the story was written made me feel really uneasy. Like you say - it's not a research study of how black and ethnic employees of the MET feel. It's presumably sought out people who harbour these feelings and then tried to paint them as a representative sample. 

And I don't think that was made explicit enough in the piece. 

As ever, fair and thoughtful (unlike dicks who can only resort to emoji's or sarcasm).

 

[gonzo]

10 hours ago, kent_white said:

He might class himself as that. But as another white working class UK man - if he's the best we can do then we really are fucked! 

That's been my argument all along.

It's a complete political and societal failure we ended up where we are.

TR didn't whip people up, they whipped themselves up and he's all over it like a tramp on chips.

[L/H White]

Fun and games at creamfields and leeds

[boltonboris]

13 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Tommy Robinson seems to pop up in many threads. Is he that influential? If I didn’t read WW I wouldn’t have known who he was. 

Gets his face around a lot considering he's been "silenced" and "cancelled" doesn't he!

Edited August 23, 2024 by boltonboris

[Ani]

11 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Fun and games at creamfields and leeds

What has happened ? You mean the weather ? 

Edited August 23, 2024 by Ani

[L/H White]

13 minutes ago, Ani said:

What has happened ? You mean the weather ? 

yeah, seen a video of creamfields, tents destroyed already 

[Ani]

43 minutes ago, gonzo said:

That's been my argument all along.

It's a complete political and societal failure we ended up where we are.

TR didn't whip people up, they whipped themselves up and he's all over it like a tramp on chips.

Tommy has played a part in whipping stuff up but he is very much the front man. I know he is quick to launch go fund mes but where does his money come from for the family holidays , flights round the world  etc ? Who pays for his social media activity ? 
 

However there are also cracks appearing, Farage dumped on him, it has been reported that GB News are no longer giving him coverage. Eventually his rants will get him in serious trouble, you can not just ignore court appearances. At that point his mystery backers will disappear and he will be fucked and dropped

People ask is he only well known in relatively small circles, his message is not targeting the whole population , there this group who blame everything that is wrong in the country on 'them' (whoever 'they' happen to be). Tommys message gets repeated over and over to people in this circle and becomes 'fact'. They slag off MSM as bias whilst trotting out propaganda. It is how Social Media works. If you start following Tommy on Twitter the number of other feeds you start getting in the 'for you' thread that just reaffirm his comments is mad, he is not driving that without a lot of help. If a young kid clicks follow and then gets hundreds of posts agreeing with Tommy it soon becomes the truth. This is not just 'thick racists'  young folk trying to find their own political thoughts are being swamped. 

[gonzo]

As ever the answer lies somewhere in between. 

The issues TR raises exist. It shouldn't be down to him to be the voice of anyone with such issues.

When folk like him are leading the charge it only leads to more polarisation and the root causes of peoples angst get even greater.

It's a failure on the establishment and society that it's left to coked up grifters to lead the charge for change or even bring some debate to the table.

....just because you oppose a £4m super-mosque being built in your area does not make you an anti islamic TR fan boy. But that's where we've got to.

Chicken and Egg. 

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

As ever the answer lies somewhere in between. 

The issues TR raises exist. It shouldn't be down to him to be the voice of anyone with such issues.

When folk like him are leading the charge it only leads to more polarisation and the root causes of peoples angst get even greater.

It's a failure on the establishment and society that it's left to coked up grifters to lead the charge for change or even bring some debate to the table.

....just because you oppose a £4m super-mosque being built in your area does not make you an anti islamic TR fan boy. But that's where we've got to.

Chicken and Egg. 

Equally just because you are a Muslim you are not a bomb chucking, child abusing monster. 

[boltonboris]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

....just because you oppose a £4m super-mosque being built in your area does not make you an anti islamic TR fan boy. But that's where we've got to.

 

Out of interest, why would somebody oppose a place of worship being built in their area and would they oppose it, if it was say, a catholic church