Meanwhile In England

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Judges aren't necessarily having their hands tied.

In these cases they're simply making ridiculous interpretations of the law.

If that requires tightening up the law, then so be it, but that does then restrict what a judge can do. 

As an aside, a convicted paedophile had applied to open a kid's home.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn93722e3jro

 

[gonzo]

58 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Where has this bollocks come from? Nobody has ever said that on here. Posting articles that contain actual facts with researched sources is obviously fine. It's when someone reposts someone's twitter opinion, or an article containing blatant lies, that they are rightly mocked.

So you've never made any disparaging remarks about any news outlets such as the Daily Mail?

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So you've never made any disparaging remarks about any news outlets such as the Daily Mail?

I'm sure I have, because they often publish misleading articles, or just blatant lies. But that doesn't mean every single article they publish is utter bollocks. Content and context is key.

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Judges aren't necessarily having their hands tied.

In these cases they're simply making ridiculous interpretations of the law.

 

 

This is pretty much it

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

15 minutes ago, Sweep said:

This is pretty much it

Well, it kind of is and kind of isn't

The wording of the articles in the ECHR and the Human Rights Act regarding a right to a family life and a right not to be subjected to torture and inhumane or degrading treatment are vague and subjective

But it has two effects, the first is that it allows sympathetic judges to find justifications not to deport people (and it's not uncommon for immigration tribunal judges to have activist/migration charity backgrounds) but it also makes it difficult for judges intending to interpret the law impartially

We have huge difficulty deporting, for example, sex offenders who are Afghan nationals because the Taliban takes a dim view of sex offenders and would beat or kill them on their return

Under the ECHR and the HRA, the right not to be subjected to torture, inhumane or degrading treatment is an absolute right, we can't argue that their actions have disqualified that right - if they'd be subjected to torture, inhumane or degrading treatment in their home countries, for whatever reason, then that's it, they have to stay here no matter what they've done

It's why people appealing against a deportation order often claim to have converted to Christianiy, or claim to be gay

And in the latest case I posted about, we might know that the woman joined the organisation dishonestly but if the government or militias in Nigeria might not view it that way, then by law she can't be removed

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

I'm sure I have, because they often publish misleading articles, or just blatant lies. But that doesn't mean every single article they publish is utter bollocks. Content and context is key.

Of course but you can bet you're bottom dollar someone on here was at the very least questioning the article as it was in The Telegraph.

(English grammar question. Do I need to capitalise 'The' in my last sentence above? I've always been in two minds in regards to a The/the of something.)

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Of course but you can bet you're bottom dollar someone on here was at the very least questioning the article as it was in The Telegraph.

(English grammar question. Do I need to capitalise 'The' in my last sentence above? I've always been in two minds in regards to a The/the of something.)

Everyone should question and be sceptical about any article published by a newspaper (or any media organisation), and do their own research to determine the truth of it. Unfortunately, the Telegraph and the Daily Mail have built a reputation of publishing utter horseshit, so they will be viewed as less reliable than other sources.

(No idea mate. I don't capitalise it, but do what you want.)

Edited February 14, 2025 by Cheese

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Ani said:

I agree there are seemingly crazy decisions made by the legal system either judges or courts and even agree the ‘woke’ approach will have fuelled some of these but there have been strange decisions made for years and years by judges that are removed from the real world.

An obvious example is the disparity in sentencing when an act of disorder is related to football rather than a pissed up Saturday night. 
 

What has grown is the ‘no win no fee’ type of law where lawyers are basically looking for loop holes in legislation to not lose cases. This has always happened but with the increasing complexity and worldwide nature of cases means the legislation has to cover so much the chances of gaps are more frequent and more exploited 

Talk of opting out of the ECHR is not the right option . What do you replace it with ? And who is going to draft all these new laws ? The very judges and legal experts we all criticise. 

Agreed 

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, Ani said:

Talk of opting out of the ECHR is not the right option . What do you replace it with ? And who is going to draft all these new laws ? The very judges and legal experts we all criticise. 

Agree on almost everything before this point. I believe we have to withdraw from the ECHR to take proper control of our borders. Withdrawing would likely foment a redrafting which is so obviously needed. There's your replacement (if it needs one). Then up to each European country if it wants to buy in or not.

As far as the legal profession is concerned, a panel of overseers like the JCIO is needed with wider powers to suspend or dismiss miscreants (i.e. wacko judgement wankers) with strict rules of membership such as - can only be an appointed by Sir Nigel Farage or Donald J Trump. Got to maintain the common sense ingredient 

[Zico]

18 hours ago, gonzo said:

Of course but you can bet you're bottom dollar someone on here was at the very least questioning the article as it was in The Telegraph.

(English grammar question. Do I need to capitalise 'The' in my last sentence above? I've always been in two minds in regards to a The/the of something.)

Not sure about grammar but they can themselves The Telegraph or The Daily Telegraph 

[kent_white]

It's the Telegraph if you're shortening it. Or The Daily Telegraph if you're using its full title. Is that what you mean? 

[Not in Crawley]

You don't tend to capitalise particle  prepositions or conjunctions - but in a title you should do.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

The man burning the book remanded in custody, the man carrying out the knife-wielding attack released on bail

 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The man burning the book remanded in custody, the man carrying out the knife-wielding attack released on bail

 

That’s another level of baffling 😂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 minutes ago, royal white said:

That’s another level of baffling 😂

Not half. 

 

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, royal white said:

That’s another level of baffling 😂

Are we surprised? Not one iota.

We have a swamp which needs draining.

Edited February 16, 2025 by bolty58

[Spider]

“We”

😁

[Duck Egg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rwg8wde0xo

The Beeb reporting the opposite.

Koran burner bailed until May.

Knifeman in court tomorrow.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rwg8wde0xo

The Beeb reporting the opposite.

Koran burner bailed until May.

Knifeman in court tomorrow.

 

They aren't

The book burner was remanded custody by the police pending his appearance at the Magistrates' Court yesterday, and was granted conditional bail by the Magistrate

The knife-wielidng attacker was granted conditional bail by the police at the outset and will appear at the Magistrates' Court tomorrow

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

They aren't

The book burner was remanded custody by the police pending his appearance at the Magistrates' Court yesterday, and was granted conditional bail by the Magistrate

The knife-wielidng attacker was granted conditional bail by the police at the outset and will appear at the Magistrates' Court tomorrow

2 foreigners, 1 with a knife, fighting over a fictional book in London. 😀

[gonzo]

Lovely little straightner.

 

 

 

[London Wanderer]

14 hours ago, royal white said:

2 foreigners, 1 with a knife, fighting over a fictional book in London. 😀

I bet most knife fights in this country are over equally pathetic reasons. 
 

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, gonzo said:

Lovely little straightner.

 

 

 

Club shop looks very different from the last time I saw it??

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 hours ago, gonzo said:

Lovely little straightner.

 

 

 

Reckon his bike may have needed straightening!

Truck 1-0 Deliveroo.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/14/police-isis-terrorist-niqab-west-midlands-farishta-jami/

Astonishing.