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16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Peston can do one.

He's one of the few political commentators I like. Offers truly balanced interviews and understands the actual role of being impartial isn't to let extreme lunatics present themselves as "mainstream balanced voices" unchallenged.

I like him. 

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1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

He could not get all his policies through as a minority in a coalition government.

Are you telling me that Clegg is worse than Cameron or Blair ? They are on a different planet for deceiving the public.

One thing is certain, we have been worse off since the LD's were cast aside.

I actually said “he’s just another in a long line of hypocritical, lying, unprincipled shithouses”

 

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1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

What could he have done ? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

He had to work with Cameron and Osborne for the good of the country.

The reality is that the LD's were the scapegoats for the Tories during the height of the austerity measures.

Did he fuck. He didn’t have to work with anybody. 

He could have shown some principles and bollox.

 

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2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Did he fuck. He didn’t have to work with anybody. 

He could have shown some principles and bollox.

 

It took bollocks to do what he did.

Principles may have led to loads of uncertainty, just like now.

Looking at the current incumbent of the leadership of lib Dems, he's at least got the balls to say he will stand against brexit; but that principle goes against a democratic decision.

Politics is just too murky a business.

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1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It took bollocks to do what he did.

Principles may have led to loads of uncertainty, just like now.

Looking at the current incumbent of the leadership of lib Dems, he's at least got the balls to say he will stand against brexit; but that principle goes against a democratic decision.

Politics is just too murky a business.

He got his knighthood. As did that other twat Danny Alexander. Job done  

And both got fucked right off by their constituents at the first opportunity. 

Shithouses

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3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The day after we announce our plans for a no deal and surprise, surprise The EU announce contingency plans meaning planes wont fall out if the sky, freight will continue to move as normal meaning we wont need tins of beans, insulin and other meds will be available, financial services will continue as normal.  Project fear is coming to an end and the Muppets predicting cliff edge, chaos and anarchy can now pipe down.      

Cheese ain’t piping down for no one

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30 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

I'm with Mick here. The student loans was the Lib Dems line in the sand. Look at how much the DUP have screwed out of May. Clegg not only won nothing from the Tories they took the brunt of the blame for austerity too.

Untrustworthy and incompetent 

I think that’s very inaccurate 

The Lib Dem’s pushes for faster increases in the NMW and Faster increases in the starting rate for tax 

When the coalition started the NMW was £5.50 or something daft, 8 years on and it’s now close to £9 

You also started paying 20% tax at £6k, it’s now close to £12k, putting money in everyone’s pocket especially the low paid 

The Lib Dem’s drove that as two of their main demands, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s a more worthy cause than free student tuition ffs 

They also got a referendum on PR which was a huge thing for them at the time 

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26 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I think that’s very inaccurate 

The Lib Dem’s pushes for faster increases in the NMW and Faster increases in the starting rate for tax 

When the coalition started the NMW was £5.50 or something daft, 8 years on and it’s now close to £9 

You also started paying 20% tax at £6k, it’s now close to £12k, putting money in everyone’s pocket especially the low paid 

The Lib Dem’s drove that as two of their main demands, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s a more worthy cause than free student tuition ffs 

They also got a referendum on PR which was a huge thing for them at the time 

Indeed. Still makes me chuckle that in the late 90's the right wing media were calling Blair's NMW plans "lunacy" and "commie nonsense" or words to that effect. Probably echoing the views of certain posters here. Predicting such socialist ideas would cause the sky to fall in, make millions unemployed, after all how could businesses afford it?

Funny how things work out - it is now an idea so universally successful that no government dare do anything but increase it.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Fact is no Lib Dem voters voted for them to help enact austerity. 

As evidenced by their annihilation in elections since

The Lib Dems were castigated for their broken promise on tuition fees but to say they were to blame for austerity is just not correct. They had to form a government and that entailed some give and take on policies and it just happened to be the government following the financial crisis which was always going to be a tough term

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1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

They didn’t have to. That’s my point

Seems their previous supporters didn’t think they had to either 

They didn't have to but what would have been the alternative? A minority government that had no majority to carry out their manifesto and the country would have stumbled along. I happen to think that the Lib Dems were a positive influence by stifling some of the more agressive austerity measures in order to keep the government in power. 

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3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

They didn't have to but what would have been the alternative? A minority government that had no majority to carry out their manifesto and the country would have stumbled along. I happen to think that the Lib Dems were a positive influence by stifling some of the more agressive austerity measures in order to keep the government in power. 

We often disagree, but on this we are definitely in agreement.

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

I think that’s very inaccurate 

The Lib Dem’s pushes for faster increases in the NMW and Faster increases in the starting rate for tax 

When the coalition started the NMW was £5.50 or something daft, 8 years on and it’s now close to £9 

You also started paying 20% tax at £6k, it’s now close to £12k, putting money in everyone’s pocket especially the low paid 

The Lib Dem’s drove that as two of their main demands, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s a more worthy cause than free student tuition ffs 

They also got a referendum on PR which was a huge thing for them at the time 

 

18 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

They didn't have to but what would have been the alternative? A minority government that had no majority to carry out their manifesto and the country would have stumbled along. I happen to think that the Lib Dems were a positive influence by stifling some of the more agressive austerity measures in order to keep the government in power. 

 

13 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

We often disagree, but on this we are definitely in agreement.

All very good points.

I really don't know where MB is coming from with his anti-Clegg stuff, well off the mark.

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43 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Indeed. Still makes me chuckle that in the late 90's the right wing media were calling Blair's NMW plans "lunacy" and "commie nonsense" or words to that effect. Probably echoing the views of certain posters here. Predicting such socialist ideas would cause the sky to fall in, make millions unemployed, after all how could businesses afford it?

Funny how things work out - it is now an idea so universally successful that no government dare do anything but increase it.

 

 

Wasn't the argument that it would lead to 'rampant inflation'?

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38 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

 

 

All very good points.

I really don't know where MB is coming from with his anti-Clegg stuff, well off the mark.

You must admit, Clegg got sucked in by the Tory's with blatant lies. That's how they work, once you have fulfilled their needs, you are cast aside like a ragged doll.

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34 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Each to his own. 

For me he’s a shihouse of the highest order 

For once, I’ll agree with Mr Brown, Clegg is an utter wanker.

 

Talking of which.....where’s that lying bastard Cheese ?

What a whopper that plantpot is :D

 

Talking of plantpots......am I the only one to notice bwfcfannyfingers5 divorce from Corbyn ?

He loved him this time last year.......glad he saw the sense and FACTS in my AJCosts.......

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32 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

What’s this about the Lewis fella MP resigning from the Antisemite.....oooppss..I meant Labour Party !

It's all coming home to roost now.......Jew haters....project fear....EU corruptness....

 

It’s just too piss easy for the Visionaries :D

It might just be me, but I've no idea what on earth you're wittering on about mate

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