Site Supporter Steejay Posted December 20, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 hours ago, mickbrown said: He’s just another in a long line of hypocritical, lying, unprincipled shithouses AKA a 'Politician'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Peston can do one. He's one of the few political commentators I like. Offers truly balanced interviews and understands the actual role of being impartial isn't to let extreme lunatics present themselves as "mainstream balanced voices" unchallenged. I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: He could not get all his policies through as a minority in a coalition government. Are you telling me that Clegg is worse than Cameron or Blair ? They are on a different planet for deceiving the public. One thing is certain, we have been worse off since the LD's were cast aside. I actually said “he’s just another in a long line of hypocritical, lying, unprincipled shithouses” Edited December 20, 2018 by mickbrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: What could he have done ? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. He had to work with Cameron and Osborne for the good of the country. The reality is that the LD's were the scapegoats for the Tories during the height of the austerity measures. Did he fuck. He didn’t have to work with anybody. He could have shown some principles and bollox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 20, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Did he fuck. He didn’t have to work with anybody. He could have shown some principles and bollox. It took bollocks to do what he did. Principles may have led to loads of uncertainty, just like now. Looking at the current incumbent of the leadership of lib Dems, he's at least got the balls to say he will stand against brexit; but that principle goes against a democratic decision. Politics is just too murky a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I'm with Mick here. The student loans was the Lib Dems line in the sand. Look at how much the DUP have screwed out of May. Clegg not only won nothing from the Tories they took the brunt of the blame for austerity too. Untrustworthy and incompetent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It took bollocks to do what he did. Principles may have led to loads of uncertainty, just like now. Looking at the current incumbent of the leadership of lib Dems, he's at least got the balls to say he will stand against brexit; but that principle goes against a democratic decision. Politics is just too murky a business. He got his knighthood. As did that other twat Danny Alexander. Job done And both got fucked right off by their constituents at the first opportunity. Shithouses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, mickbrown said: He got his knighthood. As did that other twat Danny Alexander. Job done And both got fucked right off by their constituents at the first opportunity. Shithouses They pissed students off. I can think of worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: The day after we announce our plans for a no deal and surprise, surprise The EU announce contingency plans meaning planes wont fall out if the sky, freight will continue to move as normal meaning we wont need tins of beans, insulin and other meds will be available, financial services will continue as normal. Project fear is coming to an end and the Muppets predicting cliff edge, chaos and anarchy can now pipe down. Cheese ain’t piping down for no one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: I'm with Mick here. The student loans was the Lib Dems line in the sand. Look at how much the DUP have screwed out of May. Clegg not only won nothing from the Tories they took the brunt of the blame for austerity too. Untrustworthy and incompetent I think that’s very inaccurate The Lib Dem’s pushes for faster increases in the NMW and Faster increases in the starting rate for tax When the coalition started the NMW was £5.50 or something daft, 8 years on and it’s now close to £9 You also started paying 20% tax at £6k, it’s now close to £12k, putting money in everyone’s pocket especially the low paid The Lib Dem’s drove that as two of their main demands, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s a more worthy cause than free student tuition ffs They also got a referendum on PR which was a huge thing for them at the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Fact is no Lib Dem voters voted for them to help enact austerity. As evidenced by their annihilation in elections since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I think that’s very inaccurate The Lib Dem’s pushes for faster increases in the NMW and Faster increases in the starting rate for tax When the coalition started the NMW was £5.50 or something daft, 8 years on and it’s now close to £9 You also started paying 20% tax at £6k, it’s now close to £12k, putting money in everyone’s pocket especially the low paid The Lib Dem’s drove that as two of their main demands, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s a more worthy cause than free student tuition ffs They also got a referendum on PR which was a huge thing for them at the time Indeed. Still makes me chuckle that in the late 90's the right wing media were calling Blair's NMW plans "lunacy" and "commie nonsense" or words to that effect. Probably echoing the views of certain posters here. Predicting such socialist ideas would cause the sky to fall in, make millions unemployed, after all how could businesses afford it? Funny how things work out - it is now an idea so universally successful that no government dare do anything but increase it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Fact is no Lib Dem voters voted for them to help enact austerity. As evidenced by their annihilation in elections since The Lib Dems were castigated for their broken promise on tuition fees but to say they were to blame for austerity is just not correct. They had to form a government and that entailed some give and take on policies and it just happened to be the government following the financial crisis which was always going to be a tough term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 They didn’t have to. That’s my point Seems their previous supporters didn’t think they had to either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: They didn’t have to. That’s my point Seems their previous supporters didn’t think they had to either They didn't have to but what would have been the alternative? A minority government that had no majority to carry out their manifesto and the country would have stumbled along. I happen to think that the Lib Dems were a positive influence by stifling some of the more agressive austerity measures in order to keep the government in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: They didn't have to but what would have been the alternative? A minority government that had no majority to carry out their manifesto and the country would have stumbled along. I happen to think that the Lib Dems were a positive influence by stifling some of the more agressive austerity measures in order to keep the government in power. We often disagree, but on this we are definitely in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: I think that’s very inaccurate The Lib Dem’s pushes for faster increases in the NMW and Faster increases in the starting rate for tax When the coalition started the NMW was £5.50 or something daft, 8 years on and it’s now close to £9 You also started paying 20% tax at £6k, it’s now close to £12k, putting money in everyone’s pocket especially the low paid The Lib Dem’s drove that as two of their main demands, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s a more worthy cause than free student tuition ffs They also got a referendum on PR which was a huge thing for them at the time 18 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: They didn't have to but what would have been the alternative? A minority government that had no majority to carry out their manifesto and the country would have stumbled along. I happen to think that the Lib Dems were a positive influence by stifling some of the more agressive austerity measures in order to keep the government in power. 13 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: We often disagree, but on this we are definitely in agreement. All very good points. I really don't know where MB is coming from with his anti-Clegg stuff, well off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 43 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Indeed. Still makes me chuckle that in the late 90's the right wing media were calling Blair's NMW plans "lunacy" and "commie nonsense" or words to that effect. Probably echoing the views of certain posters here. Predicting such socialist ideas would cause the sky to fall in, make millions unemployed, after all how could businesses afford it? Funny how things work out - it is now an idea so universally successful that no government dare do anything but increase it. Wasn't the argument that it would lead to 'rampant inflation'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: Wasn't the argument that it would lead to 'rampant inflation'? And record unemployment. It is a prime example of why people shouldn't pay too much attention to the Thatcherloveinbrigade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, Farrelli said: All very good points. I really don't know where MB is coming from with his anti-Clegg stuff, well off the mark. You must admit, Clegg got sucked in by the Tory's with blatant lies. That's how they work, once you have fulfilled their needs, you are cast aside like a ragged doll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Farrelli said: All very good points. I really don't know where MB is coming from with his anti-Clegg stuff, well off the mark. Each to his own. For me he’s a shihouse of the highest order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, leigh white said: You must admit, Clegg got sucked in by the Tory's with blatant lies. That's how they work, once you have fulfilled their needs, you are cast aside like a ragged doll. He got his knighthood. He’s happy to be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Each to his own. For me he’s a shihouse of the highest order For once, I’ll agree with Mr Brown, Clegg is an utter wanker. Talking of which.....where’s that lying bastard Cheese ? What a whopper that plantpot is Talking of plantpots......am I the only one to notice bwfcfannyfingers5 divorce from Corbyn ? He loved him this time last year.......glad he saw the sense and FACTS in my AJCosts....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 What’s this about the Lewis fella MP resigning from the Antisemite.....oooppss..I meant Labour Party ! It's all coming home to roost now.......Jew haters....project fear....EU corruptness.... It’s just too piss easy for the Visionaries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: What’s this about the Lewis fella MP resigning from the Antisemite.....oooppss..I meant Labour Party ! It's all coming home to roost now.......Jew haters....project fear....EU corruptness.... It’s just too piss easy for the Visionaries It might just be me, but I've no idea what on earth you're wittering on about mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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