Mounts Kipper Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, Casino said: Im happy to change the manager But, winning and attractive? With what it looks like we will be able to recruit, I'm not sure we can be that picky Stringing 3 passes together would be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Stringing 3 passes together would be a start. Along with some intent from the first whistle sick of seeing us camped in our own half trying to do something we can’t. Defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted April 14, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 14, 2019 If we have a club - I’ll renew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I will be happy if we have a club in League 1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Ratwhite Posted April 14, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 14, 2019 No news is (good), No news All gone quiet on rumours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny The Ball Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, Chrisj said: I for one will renew next season and Parkinson will be replaced no doubt about that but I am not a hater of the man himself that we are not below Ipswich and relegated yet despite all the issues this season is a miracle in itself and the manager should not be answering questions about off field issues so Parky the man I feel sorry for and would shake his hand and thank him for all he has done. Parky the manager is way out of his depth at this level he is too concerned about stopping the opposition than giving them something to worry about for example Boro at home we matched their system but they have better players than us in that system so why not play a different one to make them think and offer something different. If you’re playing 4231 then Oztumer needs to play behind the striker to open up gaps in front of him Agree - results say it all He has managed 2 other clubs at championship level and his record is Hull City in 2006/07 he won 4 games in 21 and was sacked with them 23rd in the League . Two years later in 2008/09 he moves up from assistant manager at Charlton to manager and in 28 games in charge they also won 4 games and were relegated With us in 2017/18 and 2018/19 has won 18 in 88 In total - 137 championship matches won 26 of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I have serious concerns about what Anderson has done to the club, which reflects on the lack of quality on the pitch but the biggest frustration for me is that even with the players at his disposal, Parky hasn't really tried to set us up to get forward in numbers for ages now so we're going down with a whimper. Even with crap players - like Wildshut bombing up the pitch like an out of control shopping trolley on the Cresta Run - it was at least more exciting and I'd rather we went down having a go than failing to at least try. We have the lowest shots on goal in all 4 divisions and that makes it easy for the opposition to push forward instead of us keeping them honest and giving them something to think about - and it's a dire watch. He gave Little a game and his late run was one of the best things we've seen in ages even though it didn't come to anything. Relegation is one thing, but getting relegated without offering an attacking threat for dire game after dire game is painful. I just think that if a system fails you have to experiment and Parky simply hasn't done that enough. Like the guy and it's not all his fault, but he lacks imagination -or at least doesn't seem prepared to mix it up or e.g.sacrifice "quality" and discipline for pace and quick transition. We haven't got the players to play his system effectively so he should be thinking Wimbledon in the '80s rather than Inter Milan in the '70's. Anyway, what's done is done and we'll just have to see what happens to the club and that will probably determine who will manage us next year assuming we're still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ani said: I will be happy if we have a club in League 1 next year. See, I completely get that. But there will come a time IF PP is still around where that “at least we still have a club” mentality wears off if we continue to see the weekly shite we do now let’s have it right, the last time we were in league 1 baring one or two performances we never came away purring. We never blew the league away and we had arguably the best squad and inspite of the issues af the time still one of the biggest budgets. For me, the promotion was nothing more than a relief. Because we all knew the implications for the club if we were stuck in the league for a while. Next season whilst we might have better days more regularly we won’t be in the running. so it becomes more and more difficult week after week to keep turning up to watch that shite and justifying it with “we still have a club though” the past is very quickly forgotten. People need hope for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said: I have serious concerns about what Anderson has done to the club, which reflects on the lack of quality on the pitch but the biggest frustration for me is that even with the players at his disposal, Parky hasn't really tried to set us up to get forward in numbers for ages now so we're going down with a whimper. Even with crap players - like Wildshut bombing up the pitch like an out of control shopping trolley on the Cresta Run - it was at least more exciting and I'd rather we went down having a go than failing to at least try. We have the lowest shots on goal in all 4 divisions and that makes it easy for the opposition to push forward instead of us keeping them honest and giving them something to think about - and it's a dire watch. He gave Little a game and his late run was one of the best things we've seen in ages even though it didn't come to anything. Relegation is one thing, but getting relegated without offering an attacking threat for dire game after dire game is painful. I just think that if a system fails you have to experiment and Parky simply hasn't done that enough. Like the guy and it's not all his fault, but he lacks imagination -or at least doesn't seem prepared to mix it up or e.g.sacrifice "quality" and discipline for pace and quick transition. We haven't got the players to play his system effectively so he should be thinking Wimbledon in the '80s rather than Inter Milan in the '70's. Anyway, what's done is done and we'll just have to see what happens to the club and that will probably determine who will manage us next year assuming we're still around. Agree Parkinsons decision making this season has been horrendous, anyone who attempts to get forward or play a risky possibly match winning pass does not spend much time on the pitch, Little and Otzumer are prime examples, as was Doidge while he was here, it’s been clear 4 at the back been a lame duck for a long time, we should have persevered with 3 at the back using wingbacks to relieve the constant pressure in a 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1. Lastly our possession or lack of it for a pro club is bad beyond belief, it seems we don’t work on it in training and Parkinson has no faith in letting players relax on the ball and try to play out from the back. We’ve played fear football from day one and that’s down to Parkinson and his coaching staff, if they can be called that. Edited April 14, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 We're going down because we have a playing squad made up of free transfers & cast offs who are not good enough for the championship & because we have not had the money to buy, or even loan in, better players...........not because of the manager. I'll be renewing next season, with or without PP. ( assuming we have a club !! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 14, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, bolton va va said: We're going down because we have a playing squad made up of free transfers & cast offs who are not good enough for the championship & because we have not had the money to buy, or even loan in, better players...........not because of the manager. I'll be renewing next season, with or without PP. ( assuming we have a club !! ) So you don't think all the players who leave in the summer will be getting offers galore from division 2 and above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Casino said: So you don't think all the players who leave in the summer will be getting offers galore from division 2 and above? Surely they'll be getting snapped up by premier league clubs who can see that their natural brilliance is being stifled by the evil Parky. ( see Morais & ALF for further details ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Alf could still play at this level he left for more money & first team football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 14, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Alf could still play at this level he left for more money & first team football Why did he have to go to oz to do that? Fwiw, I doubt very much he went for more money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyj Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Ratwhite said: If we have a club - I’ll renew. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnywhite Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 56 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said: I have serious concerns about what Anderson has done to the club, which reflects on the lack of quality on the pitch but the biggest frustration for me is that even with the players at his disposal, Parky hasn't really tried to set us up to get forward in numbers for ages now so we're going down with a whimper. Even with crap players - like Wildshut bombing up the pitch like an out of control shopping trolley on the Cresta Run - it was at least more exciting and I'd rather we went down having a go than failing to at least try. We have the lowest shots on goal in all 4 divisions and that makes it easy for the opposition to push forward instead of us keeping them honest and giving them something to think about - and it's a dire watch. He gave Little a game and his late run was one of the best things we've seen in ages even though it didn't come to anything. Relegation is one thing, but getting relegated without offering an attacking threat for dire game after dire game is painful. I just think that if a system fails you have to experiment and Parky simply hasn't done that enough. Like the guy and it's not all his fault, but he lacks imagination -or at least doesn't seem prepared to mix it up or e.g.sacrifice "quality" and discipline for pace and quick transition. We haven't got the players to play his system effectively so he should be thinking Wimbledon in the '80s rather than Inter Milan in the '70's. Anyway, what's done is done and we'll just have to see what happens to the club and that will probably determine who will manage us next year assuming we're still around. Spot on even forgot all about wildshut is he still at the club would of thought he would of gone back to Norwich if he isn’t getting payed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Why did he have to go to oz to do that? Fwiw, I doubt very much he went for more money Reportedly on 18k a week so wouldn’t you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Just now, Farnywhite said: Spot on even forgot all about wildshut is he still at the club would of thought he would of gone back to Norwich if he isn’t getting payed ? Well Dearden insisted (repeatedly) on that Wanderer podcast that he'd not been near the club in months, despite him keep appearing on the likes of Donaldson's social media and the fact I saw him at Total Fitness Bolton a few weeks ago in Wanderers kit. He was with Beevers who was asking lost property about some kit he'd left behind. He'll never play for us again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Custodiet Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Agree Parkinsons decision making this season has been horrendous, anyone who attempts to get forward or play a risky possibly match winning pass does not spend much time on the pitch, Little and Otzumer are prime examples, as was Doidge while he was here, it’s been clear 4 at the back been a lame duck for a long time, we should have persevered with 3 at the back using wingbacks to relieve the constant pressure in a 3-5-2 or 3-5-1-1. Lastly our possession or lack of it for a pro club is bad beyond belief, it seems we don’t work on it in training and Parkinson has no faith in letting players relax on the ball and try to play out from the back. We’ve played fear football from day one and that’s down to Parkinson and his coaching staff, if they can be called that. I don't know if you've got round to it yet, Mounts, but I'd strongly recommend reading the first few pages of the club's 2017 Annual Report. Its not so much Parkinson related as it is financial facts of life related. An interesting point is that, despite reducing wages costs by 32% on the previous year, the club would have had an operating loss in 2016/17 even if every single person employed by it had worked on a totally unpaid/voluntary basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted April 14, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted April 14, 2019 12 hours ago, leadfrog1 said: Ikr I've a bad habit of messaging while I'm at the pub Ah, the perils of pissed up posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 14, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Reportedly on 18k a week so wouldn’t you The A league salary cap allows a total spend of 1.5 million pounds per year on all the squad except marquee players It was reported that Alf was not being signed as one of their allowed 3 marquee players To be paying him a million of the 1.5 million allowed spend, is a bit difficult to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 14, 2019 Moderators Share Posted April 14, 2019 And, so far as I know, wildschutt was reported as being pretty much out for the season after getting injured v walsall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 42 minutes ago, bolton va va said: Surely they'll be getting snapped up by premier league clubs who can see that their natural brilliance is being stifled by the evil Parky. ( see Morais & ALF for further details ) Ha ha. Happy Clapper alert. Sometimes i think folk like you deserve Parkinson and an empty stadium bar a few fellow clappers. ALF was a goalscorer (and gave 100% effort) btw easily good enough to score the goals to get us 4th from bottom. PP never knew what to do with him or how to play him. Left him on bench and jettisoned him along with any other flair players. Never any hint of plan B No parkinson is not our biggest problem as we have sweaty to thank for most of our problems but ant remotely functional club would have potted a manager with his record.months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, bolton va va said: We're going down because we have a playing squad made up of free transfers & cast offs who are not good enough for the championship & because we have not had the money to buy, or even loan in, better players...........not because of the manager. I'll be renewing next season, with or without PP. ( assuming we have a club !! ) Is that any different to any clubs around us who aren’t going down without a whimper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, barrycowdrill said: See, I completely get that. But there will come a time IF PP is still around where that “at least we still have a club” mentality wears off if we continue to see the weekly shite we do now let’s have it right, the last time we were in league 1 baring one or two performances we never came away purring. We never blew the league away and we had arguably the best squad and inspite of the issues af the time still one of the biggest budgets. For me, the promotion was nothing more than a relief. Because we all knew the implications for the club if we were stuck in the league for a while. Next season whilst we might have better days more regularly we won’t be in the running. so it becomes more and more difficult week after week to keep turning up to watch that shite and justifying it with “we still have a club though” the past is very quickly forgotten. People need hope for the future My point really was making sure there is a club comes before anything else. Parky needs to move on his record at this level is awful and although there are plenty of mitigating circumstances this year it has not been good enough. I wont join in this knocking the results he got in first 2 seasons though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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