Barnsley away 2nd leg

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

Stats, stats, stats

I actually like em

However, last 3 games without bradley

9 points

For 13, against 2

Perhaps we’re to predictable when he plays and more balanced as an attacking force when he doesn’t. 

[Johnnyrotten]

40 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I said it when Bradley was suspended for 2 games - as good as he is (and he is, he’s been very very good consistently), I still think that Jones has a better end product and is a very solid option at wingback.

I’d rather have Williams nowhere near the team, and there’s an argument to say that Jones is better suited to RCB now, so I still think we need one in this window but I wouldn’t be too disappointed to see Jones starting there in the first game of next season.

I don't want to worry you but I'm agreeing with everything you're saying again.  (Williams/Jones etc).  All I'd throw in about Williams is why you wouldn't apply the "positive thinking/pre-season" theory to him as with Adeboyejo?  As they signed the same month and have had roughly the same number of games.

[Johnnyrotten]

42 minutes ago, Casino said:

Stats, stats, stats

I actually like em

However, last 3 games without bradley

9 points

For 13, against 2

Great stat.  To clarify, any disappointment with Adebeyajo isn't stats based, he's scored 3 which is no worse than JDB in the first half of the season.  Its about qualities as a footballer that we can see with our eyes, but if he'd scored loads prior to coming here (May or Stockton for eg) I'd say he was worth a punt.  But clearly he hasn't and that's what makes it a mystery signing to me (zero to do with being optimistic or not BTW, its an opinion about a footballer).

[desperado]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

I’d rather have Williams nowhere near the team

I’d rather have DJ nowhere near the team.

He’s a shithouse. Doesn’t want to be here. No respect for the club or fans (he walked off down the tunnel without so much as a wave),

When you have a player like that, it doesn’t matter what their footballing ability is, get fucking rid, he’s not there crying like Bradley was, thinking he might have played his last game for the best club in the land.

[Wanderlust]

Just about getting to grips with my disappointment with that performance.

Evatt obviously didn't listen and went with Thomason and Dan instead of two ballers, too concerned about their threat to play our own game and it didn't work.

Presume Lee was one of the mystery injuries, Shoretire has gone  and Sheehan was warming the bench until we were already behind but in a game where we were never going to fight fire with fire we missed the opportunity to try to turn on the class and outplay the big lumps.

Still, it's done now so it will be interesting to see what happens over the summer and just hoping Sharon et al haven't gambled the ranch on this season.

[perth_white]

1 hour ago, Wanderlust said:

Just about getting to grips with my disappointment with that performance.Evatt obviously didn't listen a

To who? You and the rest of the 'experts' on here? The teams he picks have to play in the real world, my imagination team won 5 nil, he should have listened to me.

[Eddie]

5 hours ago, desperado said:

I’d rather have DJ nowhere near the team.

He’s a shithouse. Doesn’t want to be here. No respect for the club or fans (he walked off down the tunnel without so much as a wave),

When you have a player like that, it doesn’t matter what their footballing ability is, get fucking rid, he’s not there crying like Bradley was, thinking he might have played his last game for the best club in the land.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d have him gone too. 1, because he’s not actually that good (he’s just the better option vs. Williams in my opinion); and 2, because Evatt clearly doesn’t get on with him and I would hazard a guess that it’s due to attitude.

I said it on another thread (and it’s a bit football managery but the way I see the current squad of defenders) - I see Iredale as a perfect replacement for Johnston as LCB if we were to cash in on him. I don’t think he’s amazing as a wingback but has the height, defensive capabilities and is good enough on the ball to be the equivalent of Jones on the left (ie fullback but with centre back qualities).

I’d get rid of John and keep Williams as 2nd choice (as realistically he’ll still be here due to the 3 year deal). Do everything you can to keep Santos and Toal isn’t going anywhere.

Starting back 3 of Toal / Santos / Iredale, Jones interchangeable with Toal depending on form but also cover at RWB and Williams as wingback cover on the left.

That would leave 3 signings for me in defence.

- starting wingbacks on both sides. Good luck Evatt / Markham, arguably the most important positions for our system to work

- another centre back, preferably left footed but better than Mbete.

[Eddie]

7 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I don't want to worry you but I'm agreeing with everything you're saying again.  (Williams/Jones etc).  All I'd throw in about Williams is why you wouldn't apply the "positive thinking/pre-season" theory to him as with Adeboyejo?  As they signed the same month and have had roughly the same number of games.

Fair challenge and it’s pretty hypocritical from me to have made my mind up on one but not the other.

I hope Williams proves me wrong - it would solve half the issue of finding wing backs over the summer, I just don’t see a player in him and he’s weak as piss. Some needs to put him on Thomason’s diet over the summer and see if that helps.

[onefinfrandsen]

5 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Just about getting to grips with my disappointment with that performance.

Evatt obviously didn't listen and went with Thomason and Dan instead of two ballers, too concerned about their threat to play our own game and it didn't work.

Presume Lee was one of the mystery injuries, Shoretire has gone  and Sheehan was warming the bench until we were already behind but in a game where we were never going to fight fire with fire we missed the opportunity to try to turn on the class and outplay the big lumps.

Still, it's done now so it will be interesting to see what happens over the summer and just hoping Sharon et al haven't gambled the ranch on this season.

Sheehan and the rest of the midfield didn’t turn up for the first leg, perhaps IE thought he needed to freshen things up

[tomski]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

Don’t get me wrong, I’d have him gone too. 1, because he’s not actually that good (he’s just the better option vs. Williams in my opinion); and 2, because Evatt clearly doesn’t get on with him and I would hazard a guess that it’s due to attitude.

I said it on another thread (and it’s a bit football managery but the way I see the current squad of defenders) - I see Iredale as a perfect replacement for Johnston as LCB if we were to cash in on him. I don’t think he’s amazing as a wingback but has the height, defensive capabilities and is good enough on the ball to be the equivalent of Jones on the left (ie fullback but with centre back qualities).

I’d get rid of John and keep Williams as 2nd choice (as realistically he’ll still be here due to the 3 year deal). Do everything you can to keep Santos and Toal isn’t going anywhere.

Starting back 3 of Toal / Santos / Iredale, Jones interchangeable with Toal depending on form but also cover at RWB and Williams as wingback cover on the left.

That would leave 3 signings for me in defence.

- starting wingbacks on both sides. Good luck Evatt / Markham, arguably the most important positions for our system to work

- another centre back, preferably left footed but better than Mbete.

I’d go with all that. I like DJ and I can’t say I’m too arsed he went down the tunnel etc as i went home on full time anyway. Stuff like this isn’t as important to me as it once was. 

The fact is whether I like him or not, his relationship with Evatt is clearly not good and not going to get better next season. He needs to move on for all parties sake. 

As you also say with Iredale and Randell I suspect this is one area sorted for next season. 
 

 

[radcliffe white]

14 minutes ago, tomski said:

I’d go with all that. I like DJ and I can’t say I’m too arsed he went down the tunnel etc as i went home on full time anyway. Stuff like this isn’t as important to me as it once was. 

The fact is whether I like him or not, his relationship with Evatt is clearly not good and not going to get better next season. He needs to move on for all parties sake. 

As you also say with Iredale and Randell I suspect this is one area sorted for next season. 
 

 

Yes looks like the left is sorted even though I can’t see us creating much with them (but a good pre season you never know)

just leaves the right which has made us very predictable at times if he does find another Bradley type we still need to offer something else as we must be the easiest opponent to do homework on 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Let’s hope we have a better plan if we play Barnsley next season, Duff had 1 plan in the 4 games we played them with a full 11 and we scored 2 goals and never looked in control, looked terrible in all 4 games, poor from Evatt. 

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[Mounts Kipper]

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[only1swanny]

10 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Perhaps we’re to predictable when he plays and more balanced as an attacking force when he doesn’t. 

The plan when he plays is "Get the ball to the wing to cross in".. when he doesn't it goes down the middle... 

Quite predictable. 

Victor and Charles and Kachunga seem to play better straight down the middle. 

[Biggish Dave]

15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Let’s hope we have a better plan if we play Barnsley next season, Duff had 1 plan in the 4 games we played them with a full 11 and we scored 2 goals and never looked in control, looked terrible in all 4 games, poor from Evatt. 

Can see Duff getting poached by a bigger club if Wednesday win the final

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Biggish Dave said:

Can see Duff getting poached by a bigger club if Wednesday win the final

Possibly, but his style of play is a bit grim to watch. 

[Biggish Dave]

Yep. Effective but shite. Not convinced it works higher up the pyramid. Another Paul Warne

[Tombwfc]

Haven't seen enough of them outside of our games, but I didn't think Duff was all that impressive. They were clearly the better team but played scared rather than pushing on and putting us away. The endless delaying tactics stopped their momentum at times as much as it did ours.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Just about getting to grips with my disappointment with that performance.

Evatt obviously didn't listen and went with Thomason and Dan instead of two ballers, too concerned about their threat to play our own game and it didn't work.

Presume Lee was one of the mystery injuries, Shoretire has gone  and Sheehan was warming the bench until we were already behind but in a game where we were never going to fight fire with fire we missed the opportunity to try to turn on the class and outplay the big lumps.

Still, it's done now so it will be interesting to see what happens over the summer and just hoping Sharon et al haven't gambled the ranch on this season.

Didn't watch the first leg then I take it.

As usual against Lumps, Sheehan couldn't cut it. He tried something different to give us a more of a physical presence, and we had plenty of the ball. Did fuck all with it perhaps, but that was the same in the first leg too.

Barnsley were just better over two legs and deserved it.

[Wanderlust]

7 hours ago, perth_white said:

To who? You and the rest of the 'experts' on here? The teams he picks have to play in the real world, my imagination team won 5 nil, he should have listened to me.

Try to keep up mate - we covered this ground ages ago so you should at least recognise a tongue in cheek comment when it appears - or do I have to decorate it with emojis for you?

Ultimately it's my opinion - which I kinda thought was the purpose of the forum - and in this case I thought the team selection was reactive rather than proactive which is why it got us nowhere - IMO.

We'll never know will we?

 

[Wanderlust]

2 hours ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Sheehan and the rest of the midfield didn’t turn up for the first leg, perhaps IE thought he needed to freshen things up

Definitely needed freshening up because they bullied us in the first leg - I'd just have gone full Barca with one touch players rather than trying to play them at their own game which was a fight we were never going to win especially when the ball bounced off Dan every time it came near him and they picked up so many second balls and made easy tackles due to poor control generally which wouldn't have happened so often, got us further up the pitch and maybe even persuaded them to reconsider their high press if we got behind them often enough.

That would only be possible if Lee, Sheehan and Shoretire (yes him) were all available and Evatt was willing to do the unthinkable i.e. play them all at once - but I'm not sure they were or he would.

IMO

[perth_white]

39 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Try to keep up mate - we covered this ground ages ago so you should at least recognise a tongue in cheek comment when it appears - or do I have to decorate it with emojis for you?

 

Oh it was one of your 'jokes'

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, Eddie said:

Fair challenge and it’s pretty hypocritical from me to have made my mind up on one but not the other.

I hope Williams proves me wrong - it would solve half the issue of finding wing backs over the summer, I just don’t see a player in him and he’s weak as piss. Some needs to put him on Thomason’s diet over the summer and see if that helps.

On Williams, I would say he's improved to some degree, in that he looks less like he's walking around in a daze half the time, and he's shown occasional glimpses of a bit of pace, eg the assist v Barnsley.  But technique is the least reliable of any of our regular starters and as you put it too weak and for me half hearted.  IE will know we need better.  He can be back up, similar to how Aimson was a good standard reserve, but never considered a first choice.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, tomski said:

I’d go with all that. I like DJ and I can’t say I’m too arsed he went down the tunnel etc as i went home on full time anyway. Stuff like this isn’t as important to me as it once was. 

The fact is whether I like him or not, his relationship with Evatt is clearly not good and not going to get better next season. He needs to move on for all parties sake. 

As you also say with Iredale and Randell I suspect this is one area sorted for next season. 
 

 

As much as it would be "OK" to have those two, as long as it was Iredale playing 75% of games, we know it just takes an injury to change everything.  This season we had 4 LWBs for a while, when Beck was still here, and we still had games when Dapo or Sadlier were used there.  I think Johnstone played an odd game there too, maybe as sub, so we used at least 7, so assuming John goes its not realistic to think we'll go through the season only needing 2.

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Wanderlust said:

Definitely needed freshening up because they bullied us in the first leg - I'd just have gone full Barca with one touch players rather than trying to play them at their own game which was a fight we were never going to win especially when the ball bounced off Dan every time it came near him and they picked up so many second balls and made easy tackles due to poor control generally which wouldn't have happened so often, got us further up the pitch and maybe even persuaded them to reconsider their high press if we got behind them often enough.

That would only be possible if Lee, Sheehan and Shoretire (yes him) were all available and Evatt was willing to do the unthinkable i.e. play them all at once - but I'm not sure they were or he would.

IMO

We just havent got the personel to go full on barca.  Sheehan was bullied off the park in first leg, Lee is clearly unfit and shoretire is crap. 

Not sure what else he couldve done. We were still trying to play like barca in the 94th minute. 

They were just better, fitter and stronger than us over 2 legs. Thats sport sometimes. Nobodies fault. Dont think Pep or Jose could've hatched a better plan. We were just out muscled.