Rizlar Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I don’t agree he was out coached or out thought… simply came down to a another error not organising a defender to sit on the edge of the box, that’s the basics and the players are to blame. But we don’t know what the players are coached to do and at corners it’s always the same 11 players in the box that as to be on IE and I am convinced the players are told to stick to the system no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 minutes ago, Rizlar said: But we don’t know what the players are coached to do and at corners it’s always the same 11 players in the box that as to be on IE and I am convinced the players are told to stick to the system no matter what. The thing that winds me up most when you watch games like last night where the opposition is clearly set up to just camp in, make it horrible and break where possible, is exactly that ‘stick to the system’. There were so many times last night where we’d turn the ball over, they weren’t all set in their defensive positions but nor were we in the way that we set up to attack. Our initial instinct is to slow things down, turn back, allow all of our players to get back to exactly where they need to be and then we go again with our patterns of play. The problem with that is that you’ve also just given Shrewsbury time to get 11 men behind the ball and they’re ready to implement their game plan again (and funnily enough we end up with the ball at either Forester or Iredale and 75% of the time they wasted it). I understand that we have a way to play, sometimes it works amazingly and when the opposition is naive and let us do it (Oxford and Reading) we look amazing, but I just can’t understand how we don’t recognise that it’s not always going to be the case and sometimes we need to sacrifice our perfect training ground triangles and patterns of play in order to take advantage of the opposition being out of position. Sounds very football managery but it just feels when you watch them that it’s drilled in so much that most of them rarely have the thought to do something different when the opportunity presents itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Outthought I'm afraid Exactly what @CumbrianWhitewas saying last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 13 minutes ago, Eddie said: The thing that winds me up most when you watch games like last night where the opposition is clearly set up to just camp in, make it horrible and break where possible, is exactly that ‘stick to the system’. There were so many times last night where we’d turn the ball over, they weren’t all set in their defensive positions but nor were we in the way that we set up to attack. Our initial instinct is to slow things down, turn back, allow all of our players to get back to exactly where they need to be and then we go again with our patterns of play. The problem with that is that you’ve also just given Shrewsbury time to get 11 men behind the ball and they’re ready to implement their game plan again (and funnily enough we end up with the ball at either Forester or Iredale and 75% of the time they wasted it). I understand that we have a way to play, sometimes it works amazingly and when the opposition is naive and let us do it (Oxford and Reading) we look amazing, but I just can’t understand how we don’t recognise that it’s not always going to be the case and sometimes we need to sacrifice our perfect training ground triangles and patterns of play in order to take advantage of the opposition being out of position. Sounds very football managery but it just feels when you watch them that it’s drilled in so much that most of them rarely have the thought to do something different when the opportunity presents itself. I agree but if every team now sees this weakness wtf is IE going to do to change it atm nothing which is frustrating the life out of me I really have very little confidence in him anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted April 17 Site Supporter Share Posted April 17 30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I don’t agree he was out coached or out thought… simply came down to a another error not organising a defender to sit on the edge of the box, that’s the basics and the players are to blame. Can’t believe that you think this is down to the players. Surely all the players are instructed on what they should be doing for corners, both for us and against us. It should be drilled into them and this is an area where we are really deficient and leaking poor goals. As you said, basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freds dad Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 41 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I don’t agree he was out coached or out thought… simply came down to a another error not organising a defender to sit on the edge of the box, that’s the basics and the players are to blame. IE says in his post match interview that we knew about the edge of the box set play and they had discussed it as team, so why wasn’t he picked up? Collins is stood in no mans land on the corner of the 18 yard box and could have picked him up. Good teams don’t make mistakes like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeversLeftPeg Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, freds dad said: IE says in his post match interview that we knew about the edge of the box set play and they had discussed it as team, so why wasn’t he picked up? Collins is stood in no mans land on the corner of the 18 yard box and could have picked him up. Good teams don’t make mistakes like that. We continued doing the same thing in the 2nd half when they got corners too. Madness really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyRiddle Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Don't you just put you shittest header of a ball on the penalty spot to mop up anything that drops towards the edge of the box? It really isn't difficult. And Baxter seems to have come back shite too. I think Coleman would have had some criticism for all 3 goals this week if he'd been in goal, they all looked a bit soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted April 17 Site Supporter Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Big E said: Vic, Dan, Jerome and Bod just aren’t goalscorers We needed to get AC/DC in as soon as possible and leave them be. Not replace one with the other. I know we’ve had injuries which nobody can help, but even the last couple of games they could have had some serious affect on the results if they had been playing together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mounts Kipper Posted April 17 Popular Post Share Posted April 17 56 minutes ago, Rizlar said: But we don’t know what the players are coached to do and at corners it’s always the same 11 players in the box that as to be on IE and I am convinced the players are told to stick to the system no matter what. No coach at any level coaches to leave players unmarked on the edge of the penalty areas from corners. It’s lack of communication from the playing group and nothing to do with Evatt or coaches. Seems a stick to beat Evatt with, especially for those who’ve wanted him out for months… utterly ridiculous, he’s got his faults but the positives outweigh the negatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 17 Site Supporter Share Posted April 17 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: No coach at any level coaches to leave players unmarked on the edge of the penalty areas from corners. It’s lack of communication from the playing group and nothing to do with Evatt or coaches. Seems a stick to beat Evatt with, especially for those who’ve wanted him out for months… utterly ridiculous, he’s got his faults but the positives outweigh the negatives. Pretty much my thoughts. He can be frustrating, but players also have to put their hands up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Outthought I'm afraid Outthought......but not by Paul Hurst. Can't remember who first came up with this but it was before Xmas and loads of teams have been using that template since. However it's a negative tactic inasmuch that if they match us up to frustrate us, they have the same problem that we have. So it comes down to individual performances and winning the second balls etc - it reduces the game to a battle. And that means that the passers and ball players that Evatt has tried to recruit have to be at the top of their game i.e. playing their tippy tappy under extreme pressure to play through them. That's why we win against teams that try to play football against us and lose to shithouse teams like Wigan - and Derby the other week. And why Maghoma with his tight control showed everyone else how to do it. It's the same old issue we discussed last season - we're trying to play like Barca/City with League 1 standard players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 17 Moderators Share Posted April 17 27 minutes ago, FrancisFogarty said: We needed to get AC/DC in as soon as possible and leave them be. How was that supposed to happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: No coach at any level coaches to leave players unmarked on the edge of the penalty areas from corners. It’s lack of communication from the playing group and nothing to do with Evatt or coaches. No idea whose fault it is, but it drives me bonkers watching it. Direct strike from the corner like yesterday is always a danger, but even if the ball goes into the mixer and is headed away there needs to be someone there to pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I am not Evatts biggest fan, also missed last 2 games so not got the best of views on this but..... we have had 42 shots in last 2 games and only scored 3 times. Compare that with 13 shots on our goal for same number of goals. The 'system' is creating chances which players are missing Bod on Saturday and Ogbetta last night missed chances that 95/100 are scored, it has been the tale of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: No idea whose fault it is, but it drives me bonkers watching it. Direct strike from the corner like yesterday is always a danger, but even if the ball goes into the mixer and is headed away there needs to be someone there to pick it up. Evatt said it was something they had picked up in coaching and highlighted to the players. On field leadership has got to be partially to blame, but if spotted in coaching did they allocate a man to be the one to close the ball down, if so someone fucked up on the pitch, if not it is fucking awful from the coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Whilst they may have picked up on it it doesn’t mean they had a specific plan for it. At this level they’re probably thinking - we can leave him there on his own because the chances of them finding him and him finishing is a 1/10 chance. It’s more likely to hit the top tier. likely they thought an extra body in the box without the presence of Rico in there was more helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted April 17 Site Supporter Share Posted April 17 27 minutes ago, Casino said: How was that supposed to happen? I said earlier that we’ve had injuries which nobody could foresee. Without that, and IE been willing to play them together we’d have been home and hosed long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 17 Moderators Share Posted April 17 Maybe, but its a moot point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, Ani said: Evatt said it was something they had picked up in coaching and highlighted to the players. On field leadership has got to be partially to blame, but if spotted in coaching did they allocate a man to be the one to close the ball down, if so someone fucked up on the pitch, if not it is fucking awful from the coaches. Question is where is our spare man? Upfield? Stood on a post not marking anyone? Trying to block a low cross? There has to be a spare man somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 4 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Whilst they may have picked up on it it doesn’t mean they had a specific plan for it. At this level they’re probably thinking - we can leave him there on his own because the chances of them finding him and him finishing is a 1/10 chance. It’s more likely to hit the top tier. likely they thought an extra body in the box without the presence of Rico in there was more helpful So you think they spotted what they do on corners and chose to ignore it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ani said: So you think they spotted what they do on corners and chose to ignore it? Well Evatt said they picked up on it yet no one was stood on him so yes either he instructed to ignore it or the players took it upon themselves to… and the rationale may be as I outlined.. Edited April 17 by barrycowdrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 We win last night with Coleman in goal... Joel would have got pelters for letting either of those past him last night and probably the one on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 20 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Well Evatt said they picked up on it yet no one was stood on him so yes either he instructed to ignore it or the players took it upon themselves to… and the rationale may be as I outlined.. the fact Evatt mentioned it surely means he expected the players to do something ? The idea of just ignoring it is bizarre. There is no one within 10 yards when he shoots. Edited April 17 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 1 minute ago, Traf said: We win last night with Coleman in goal... Joel would have got pelters for letting either of those past him last night and probably the one on Saturday. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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