Rival Son Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 6 minutes ago, Zog1 said: I do have some sympathy for the people who couldn't see this coming, but the warning signs have been there for a long time. Lets hope the currrent management structure carry out their fiduciary responsibility as this can't go on. Fiduciary responsibility? The directors and owners are the same people! If you’re going to use big words, be sure you know what they mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ianofcleveleys Posted September 14 Popular Post Share Posted September 14 (edited) Watched both squads warm up and didn't fancy us one iota when I'd seen their lads. Another physical mismatch, in all areas of the pitch. Add that to the already fragile mentality and a system that has caused half the side's form to fall off a cliff and the result was no surprise. Those conversations had after Wembley should have been more clinical on the owners part. To indulge Evatt and Markham in another recruitment spree, to fit a system tweak that they somehow thought was all that was needed to right those end of season wrongs, now looks a hugely expensive blunder. The problems late last season and at Wembley weren't so much systemic but about physicality, attitude, bravery and resilience. We hadn't enough with those qualities last season and now look even weaker in all of those aspects. None of the Summer signings have added anything to any area of the pitch or solved any of the issues. The approach today was baffling, suddenly abandoning play out from the back to keep hitting it long towards a front three that were hopelessly outdone in size and strength. Huge gaps between GT / Matete and the forwards, too easy for them to turnover possession, basic errors and rushed passes everywhere. Defending was fairly steady, to be fair, for half an hour, but old failings resurfaced for their first then the rest was an absolute horror show. No doubt it's time for Evatt to be asked to get his coat but it won't be easy for a new man to turn this squad into a unit that will fight it's way back into contention, at least into the New Year. It's a squad that's one dimensional, unbalanced, physically weak and mentally shot Edited September 14 by ianofcleveleys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Just now, royal white said: Can’t blame the players for not making a 5 yard pass or not shooting or not tackling? Imagine what position youd be in, if you knew the best option in the situation you were in was to hoof the ball but you knew that if you didnt try and play a short pass then youd get bollocked in the changing room by the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty2094 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 As I put on Twitter earlier, I really wanted Evatt to succeed. I like him as a manager and I think he tries to (on the whole) go about things the right way - when he says he wants to be the first manager to take a team from L2 to the Prem, I believe him. But today felt like the end of an era. Today their number 6 (Hogg?) sat just in front of their centrebacks - between our strikers and two midfielders and had the freedom of Horwich to pick a pass, carry it in to space, spread it wide; whatever they needed to dictate the pace of the game. It constantly left Matete and Thommo chasing shadows all game. And it took until we were 3-0 down before someone on the bench recognised it and switched the formation. Plan A wasn't the problem last year. It got us to 3rd in the league, 89 points and a play off final. It was the lack of a Plan B when A wasn't working that hurt us most. Why the fuck have we ditched what was sort of working in favour of whatever this 2 in midfield bollocks is supposed to be? It's this tactical stubbornness/naivety/stupidity that will stop Evatt becoming a successful manager higher up the tree. 13 in 41 though is inexcusable and shows that it's not just this rough start to the season that's the root cause of the discontent. Blaming the fans is suicidal at this point however. FWIW I'd give him next week but purely on the basis he tries something drastically different a la the L2 season. In the background, the wheels can be put in motion re. a replacement. Whether he'll get that long, I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, Rival Son said: Fiduciary responsibility? The directors and owners are the same people! If you’re going to use big words, be sure you know what they mean. Wrong. Sharon Brittan, Michael James, Nick Luckock are not the only owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalCity Biggie Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 People asking for the gaffer to go, who would you have in instead? Realistically, who do you think we're capable of getting in? I agree something has to change, but I don't know who we can attract, tempt away, afford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 8 minutes ago, Zog1 said: Steady on sweet lips. No worries Mr Frog 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Son Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 4 minutes ago, Zog1 said: Wrong. Sharon Brittan, Michael James, Nick Luckock are not the only owners They collectively own a majority stake, so in a vote of shareholders… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_BWFC Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said: Watched both squads warm up and didn't fancy us one iota when I'd seen their lads. Another physical mismatch, in all areas of the pitch. Add that to the already fragile mentality and a system that has caused half the side's form to fall off a cliff and the result was no surprise. Those conversations had after Wembley should have been more clinical on the owners part. To indulge Evatt and Markham in another recruitment spree, to fit a system tweak that they somehow thought was all that was needed to right those end of season wrongs, now looks a hugely expensive blunder. The problems late last season and at Wembley weren't so much systemic but about physicality, attitude, bravery and resilience. We hadn't enough with those qualities last season and now look even weaker in all of those aspects. None of the Summer signings have added anything to any area of the pitch or solved any of the issues. The approach today was baffling, suddenly abandoning play out from the back to keep hitting it long towards a front three that were hopelessly outdone in size and strength. Huge gaps between GT / Matete and the forwards, too easy for them to turnover possession, basic errors and rushed passes everywhere. Defending was fairly steady, to be fair, for half an hour, but old failings resurfaced for their first then the rest was an absolute horror show. No doubt it's time for Evatt to be asked to get his coat but it won't be easy for a new man to turn this squad into a unit that will fight it's way back into contention, at least into the New Year. It's a squad that's one dimensional, unbalanced, physically weak and mentally shot Can't like this enough times. Someone a few weeks ago said it always looks like the other team have more players on the pitch. Of course they don't, but they do move around a lot quicker, hence covering the spaces more. Like Wigan at home last season. Watched the teams shaking hands before the start and knew we were fucked, they were huge in comparison. We get pushed around way too easily, the 3rd goal today summed things up, no way we score if this is happening at the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 14 minutes ago, Dimron said: He's young He's not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 3 minutes ago, SalCity Biggie said: People asking for the gaffer to go, who would you have in instead? Realistically, who do you think we're capable of getting in? I agree something has to change, but I don't know who we can attract, tempt away, afford? PHIL BROWN... Seasons fucked already so we might as well have a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Just now, Rival Son said: They collectively own a majority stake, so in a vote of shareholders… ffs the responsibility is to ALL shareholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalCity Biggie Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, Dimron said: PHIL BROWN... Seasons fucked already so we might as well have a laugh Do we need to dip back into the old heroes well? I've seen Nolans name banging about, but he's in experienced, not done much and he'll just end up being disliked like Coyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stig Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 9 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said: Watched both squads warm up and didn't fancy us one iota when I'd seen their lads. Another physical mismatch, in all areas of the pitch. Add that to the already fragile mentality and a system that has caused half the side's form to fall off a cliff and the result was no surprise. Those conversations had after Wembley should have been more clinical on the owners part. To indulge Evatt and Markham in another recruitment spree, to fit a system tweak that they somehow thought was all that was needed to right those end of season wrongs, now looks a hugely expensive blunder. The problems late last season and at Wembley weren't so much systemic but about physicality, attitude, bravery and resilience. We hadn't enough with those qualities last season and now look even weaker in all of those aspects. None of the Summer signings have added anything to any area of the pitch or solved any of the issues. The approach today was baffling, suddenly abandoning play out from the back to keep hitting it long towards a front three that were hopelessly outdone in size and strength. Huge gaps between GT / Matete and the forwards, too easy for them to turnover possession, basic errors and rushed passes everywhere. Defending was fairly steady, to be fair, for half an hour, but old failings resurfaced for their first then the rest was an absolute horror show. No doubt it's time for Evatt to be asked to get his coat but it won't be easy for a new man to turn this squad into a unit that will fight it's way back into contention, at least into the New Year. It's a squad that's one dimensional, unbalanced, physically weak and mentally shot Thing is we do have some big players. Santos, Forino, Toal are giants and should be intimidating. Similarly Tomo and Matete in midfield are big enough and although small I wouldn't say Dempsey shies away from a battle. The wingbacks are complete lightweights but I don't think we look any smaller than the opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Son Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 18 minutes ago, Dimron said: He's young He’s the same age as Matete and has more appearances. I’ve already seen enough to see the gap between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 I know it seems very cliché and a bit fanciful but, I genuinely do think the best way to shake the hangover from Wembley and the shite football this squad has been drilled in to trying to work with, is Allardyce. Give him a deal for the rest of this season and next if he wants it, with Nolan as his assistant and other experienced operators under them both, with a view for Nolan to take over when Sam gets his proper send off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, meanderson93 said: I know it seems very cliché and a bit fanciful but, I genuinely do think the best way to shake the hangover from Wembley and the shite football this squad has been drilled in to trying to work with, is Allardyce. Give him a deal for the rest of this season and next if he wants it, with Nolan as his assistant and other experienced operators under them both, with a view for Nolan to take over when Sam gets his proper send off. It's not just fanciful it's also quite quite mental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 14 Members Share Posted September 14 4 minutes ago, Stig said: Thing is we do have some big players. Santos, Forino, Toal are giants and should be intimidating. Similarly Tomo and Matete in midfield are big enough and although small I wouldn't say Dempsey shies away from a battle. The wingbacks are complete lightweights but I don't think we look any smaller than the opposition Matete's about 5'6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_BWFC Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, SalCity Biggie said: Do we need to dip back into the old heroes well? I've seen Nolans name banging about, but he's in experienced, not done much and he'll just end up being disliked like Coyle Was sat in the car afterwards and heard some lad call in to GMR. Made some excellent points and spoke really well. But then suggested replacing Evatt with David Lee and SJM. It's like folk think bringing in any old boy will work. Really tough managing a football team, especially one with big expectations. Evatt's done great for us but it seems this is a bit too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 16 minutes ago, matty2094 said: Plan A wasn't the problem last year. It got us to 3rd in the league, 89 points and a play off final. It was the lack of a Plan B when A wasn't working that hurt us most. Why the fuck have we ditched what was sort of working in favour of whatever this 2 in midfield bollocks is supposed to be? It's this tactical stubbornness/naivety/stupidity that will stop Evatt becoming a successful manager higher up the tree. This. Only bit of your post I couldn't agree with is giving him another week. I just don't see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 6 minutes ago, SalCity Biggie said: Do we need to dip back into the old heroes well? I've seen Nolans name banging about, but he's in experienced, not done much and he'll just end up being disliked like Coyle I personally hate these calls for previous legends to come back in. Why? "They know the club"? What is left of the club they knew when they were here besides the general shape of the stadium? The entire operation is completely different. Watching someone you used to love potentially end up fucking everything up and turning on them would be horrendous. The ownership are into being progressive and modern. They should appoint accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 14 Members Share Posted September 14 9 minutes ago, SalCity Biggie said: Do we need to dip back into the old heroes well? Absolutely fucking not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zog1 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Just a small list of some of the available managers i can think of off the top of my head: Graham Potter, Chris Hughton, Michael Appleton, Neil Critchley, Michael Beale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, Kane57 said: It's not just fanciful it's also quite quite mental Maybe so, and yet he didn't shoot it down when asked about returning. Whether it would work or not is very unlikely, but if for nothing else it'd shift this cloud. The other option is someone like Skubala at Lincoln, but we've already spent a lot this summer, hard to imagine we go out and pay for a manager's release. Plus, that would take more time, and we don't have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan458 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Just now, Zog1 said: Just a small list of some of the available managers i can think of off the top of my head: Graham Potter, Chris Hughton, Michael Appleton, Neil Critchley, Michael Beale Jesus, we are fucking Doomed 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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