Time for a new manager?

[BoltonPro15]

With the the exception of Cozier-Duberry (and maybe Gayle), who have recently been as bad as the rest, I'd argue every single one of SS' signings has been a bad one. 

So I'm not sure where all this confidence has come from about giving SS another transfer window, surely this is just asking for trouble .

[tomski]

1 minute ago, CumbrianWhite said:

He seems to of lost his head which is probably more concerning. Constantly tinkering with his team and his tactics. Then today, hooking our best player this season minutes before half time. 
 

Hopefully if we can get rid of a few, he won’t feel the need to keep players happy and mess around with the team as much. 

Made a big call today doing that. It clearly didn’t work. 

That said I’m not necessarily against it. I don’t like the players so it’s hard to be upset about it.

We start again though and I’ll wait till I’m a pensioner before we go up. 

Need to stick and get behind him.

 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, tomski said:

I’m amazed how quickly people are turning on schuey, bearing in mind the majority gave Evatt the keys to the kingdom. We’re 6th.

Folk can see the direction we're heading. Won't be long before we're drifting away from the play off spots. 

The constant changes, terrible away form, desperate subs... it's obvious the direction we're heading. 

I think our problems run a bit deeper than just blaming the manager fwiw. And I get the point you're making. But it's a critical point of the season and if the board want to give us a chance of promotion, they may have to show a bit of spine in the next month & be ruthless if we're not improving. 

Either that or we accept that this season was a big ask and give him the summer regardless. 

Surprised myself on this one tbh, as I've always felt managers should be given plenty of time. 

[Dennis Peacock]

4 minutes ago, BoltonPro15 said:

With the the exception of Cozier-Duberry (and maybe Gayle), who have recently been as bad as the rest, I'd argue every single one of SS' signings has been a bad one. 

So I'm not sure where all this confidence has come from about giving SS another transfer window, surely this is just asking for trouble .

SS is a head coach and not a manager. Fergal, SS and Jimmy Dickinson are all involved in the process of buying a player. So, if you/me/anybody else is not happy with the recruitment, I don’t think it is as simple as pinning it on SS. If SS was not here and there was a different head coach, the other two would still be two-thirds of the recruitment process.

[Duck Egg]

25 minutes ago, BoltonPro15 said:

With the the exception of Cozier-Duberry (and maybe Gayle), who have recently been as bad as the rest, I'd argue every single one of SS' signings has been a bad one. 

So I'm not sure where all this confidence has come from about giving SS another transfer window, surely this is just asking for trouble .

Last summer I read a Plymouth fan saying that their best transfer business was getting shot of the much maligned Jimmy Dickinson.

[CambridgeBWFC]

 I hit get rid, but it was more borne of frustration and realy cold toes!

I dont think changing managers constantly helps and i dont think we can afford to do it, however this is really poor and today smacked of desperation, which is a concern. SS also looked a bit lost at the end.

I dont know what we do, i have no clue who we should get in if he were to go, but something needs to change and quickly. We only seem to be heading in one direction. 

 

 

[ianofcleveleys]

The difference for me between us under SS and his Plymouth side isnt so much in the shapes or tactical intricacies, more in the personnel and characters, and their getting of results however. 

Forget the Wembley game, its an irrelevance, in the league games they saw us off easily down there but at ours my abiding memory was of us outplaying them for 90-odd minutes but them defending, scrapping and shithousing their way to a point.

They had a sprinkling of good young talent like Whittaker and Mumba but also a good number of solid, wily sorts and a couple of twats. 

That's where SS hasn't, for me, made us different enough from Evatt's side. They were weak mentally and often lightweight physically, we look the same at the moment, lacking in guile, know-how and a bit of shithousery. You don't get 100 points in L1 playing as nice as we want to do.

I do think its a bit harsh on him to basically have one window and half a season's tolerance after the years of indulgence of Evatt but he'll have half expected it. Having done as much homework as he reckoned he had before appointment I expected him to have tried to instil a lot more of the qualities of that Plymouth side than we've seen. 

Although the last few weeks have degenerated alarmingly into today's shitshow I don't think its time to pull the trigger. There's still plenty of time to turn things round enough to have us in the play offs by May, but the next fortnight is pivotal, in terms of a tactical reset (try something different Tuesday)  next Sat and what gets done in the transfer market. The incomings need to be oven ready to help put us back on track sharpish.

 

Edited January 10 by ianofcleveleys

[RoadRunnerFan]

Needs this transfer window at absolute minimum.

Look at the cash tied up in the shite on loan/on the bench/not even on the bench/already let go from the previous regime.

Big job to sort. 

100+ points with that Plymouth side was no mean achievement.

Edited January 10 by RoadRunnerFan

[Duck Egg]

The farcical night match was when Lowe was in charge.  We lost 0-2 on a Saturday when SS was there.  We dominated play that day but rarely looked like scoring iirc.

[ianofcleveleys]

21 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

The farcical night match was when Lowe was in charge.  We lost 0-2 on a Saturday when SS was there.  We dominated play that day but rarely looked like scoring iirc.

 

21 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

The farcical night match was when Lowe was in charge.  We lost 0-2 on a Saturday when SS was there.  We dominated play that day but rarely looked like scoring iirc.

You're right, quick edit done, got my years wrong when I first wrote it

[Farnywhite]

1 hour ago, tomski said:

I’m amazed how quickly people are turning on schuey, bearing in mind the majority gave Evatt the keys to the kingdom. We’re 6th.

It’s Jan We’re 6th and the top two are disappearing over the sunset the aim start of the season was top 2 that’s that’s gone  already . 
An easy set of fixtures and we have just blown them and still got most  of the top teams to come away from home and a horrendous run in at the end .
It’s got the hallmark of the second half of last seasons all over this 

[Rizlar]

Lose badly next week and SS will be in the shit and the players over 4000 wanderers fans will let them know how we feel. 

[SalCity Biggie]

What I find funny in these types of discussion is that those who want him gone never say who they want in instead.

[SalCity Biggie]

For those wondering about Schumachers tactics from his promotion campaign, I found an article, some of it is behind a paywall, but you can always Google it yourself too 😊 

 

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/team-analysis/plymouth-argyle-202223-their-tactics-under-steven-schumacher-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics#:~:text=Argyle's biggest asset this season,to pin the opponent back.

[Farnywhite]

9 hours ago, SalCity Biggie said:

What I find funny in these types of discussion is that those who want him gone never say who they want in instead.

I’ve got him to stay but I don’t think people have to justify who they would want to replace him because it doesn’t reflect who you can realistically get and who would apply . 
SS should be judged on the team’s performance 

[SalCity Biggie]

4 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

I’ve got him to stay but I don’t think people have to justify who they would want to replace him because it doesn’t reflect who you can realistically get and who would apply . 
SS should be judged on the team’s performance 

That's fair, but it feels very knee jerk, yeah get rid, but then who comes in, need to think about these things when making comments, add some rationale to it 

[wakey]

9 hours ago, SalCity Biggie said:

What I find funny in these types of discussion is that those who want him gone never say who they want in instead.

Charles Foweraker.

But if he's unavailable or still dead, I'd stick with SS for now.

[tomski]

10 hours ago, Farnywhite said:

It’s Jan We’re 6th and the top two are disappearing over the sunset the aim start of the season was top 2 that’s that’s gone  already . 
An easy set of fixtures and we have just blown them and still got most  of the top teams to come away from home and a horrendous run in at the end .
It’s got the hallmark of the second half of last seasons all over this 

Hard to argue any of that. I can’t get over how we looked so good up until about Swindon.

My one worry is if they’ve downed tools due to a fall out then it will be hard to win them back round. 

The timing is horrendous though as it would be the same as last year and if they are unsure they’ll not bankroll the players SS wants/needs. Surely we can’t have another Randell situation 
 

 

[Rizlar]

Wigan game is massive lose badly and the shit will it the fan not just for SS but the players as well.

[Whitesince63]

Schu’s not going anywhere so let’s all accept that and see what this week brings. Saturday will probably just hasten departures of those going and hopefully prelude a couple of difference makers in. I fail to believe that our players are as poor as they’ve been recently and we’re just going through one of those spells where everything seems to be going against us. Schuey has accepted he’s made too many changes and in fairness has tried to switch within games but nothing seems to have worked. Nothing changes games like goals and yet again on Saturday we missed chances to put ourselves ahead. Anybody who’s played golf knows that when you’re playing well the hole looks the size of a dustbin and when you’re not it’s like a plug hole, balls bounce into bunkers and instead of over them and that must be how it is for players when in sight of goal so let’s just get behind SS and the guys until our luck changes which hopefully it will at Wigan? 😁

[wakey]

Hopefully echoes of the middle of Evatt's promotion season - change of system, changed kepper, and a good transfer window and we turned a shitshow of a season into a successful one.

SS clearly not happy with goalkeeping situation, showed first inclination of a significant change in system second half yesterday ... but do we have scope to make the changes he wants in this window?

[gonzo]

I'm more arsed about the players than SS. 

As ever they get away with fuckin murder.

[Rizlar]

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'm more arsed about the players than SS. 

As ever they get away with fuckin murder.

Agree with this point .

[bolton va va]

I'm a great believer in trying to give managers time to recruit & build a team ( unless they're complete clowns like Coyle or Hill, which SS isn't ).

It's too soon to change & i'd assess where we are at the end of the season but a top six finish, with our squad, our support & it being a weaker league this season, would be the minimum requirement for me. 

[1969]

Having had time to calm down and reflect on another shit show, I've come to the conclusion that I'd give SS more time (I know my opinion means Jack shit). Give him descent funds after all he's in profit with ins and outs.He knows what we need and to get another manager we're starting all over again and in all honesty I can't see anyone at this moment who realistically better