Todays Games

[Krimzon]

How is a natural finisher different to someone who is simply very good at finishing? Always wondered that.

 

It always struck me as a term for a lazy cunt (a la Klasnic) who did nowt but hang around waiting for chances and, because he's a good finisher, would often score when the chance came along.

 

 

I would say there is a subtle but very important difference. Gary lineker was a natural finisher, did fuck all outside the box but that wasnt what he was good at, give him the ball in the box and he stuck it away. Gerrard is a very good finisher but not a fox in the box. Out and out goal scorers have always been tarred with the lazy brush, Frankie Worthy was considered a very lazy player but would you have changed him ?

 

Andy Walker : fox in the box , Jason Macateer up and down engine man that was (eventually) a very good finisher et al.

[stevieb]

Just watching the DMB highlights. Lovely.

Looks like they could have won it too. Lovely.

Fergie nearly having a heart attack. Lovely.

Their golden boy scoring the winner. Lovely.

Blaming the ref. Lovely.

[Carlos]

At the weekend, Crouchie did an overhead kick and knocked Matty Taylor out, I thought it was a red, don't think he got booked. Clearly the refs are all over the place on this.

[smithills_gent]

A turkish ref called Cuneyt took Hell to them.Fair play to the big bollocksed Turk.

[DazBob]

Not sure why it tickled me so much, but on the highlights show last night the camerman zoomed in on one of the Old Trafford Sikhs, looking thoroughly pissed off.

[jayjayoghani]

just watched the sending off totally in isolation i.e. not seen anything else from the game

 

it's a red for me

 

people keep saying his eyes were on the ball. these are elite footballers it doesnt matter, they are aware of whats around them

 

[Carlos]

He goes through the bloke's body. If it was his knee, no one would be complaining. Fucking ridiculous.

[Barnstoneworth White]

Not sure why it tickled me so much, but on the highlights show last night the camerman zoomed in on one of the Old Trafford Sikhs, looking thoroughly pissed off.

 

Sikh as a parrot?

[tyldesley_white]

just watched the sending off totally in isolation i.e. not seen anything else from the game

 

it's a red for me

 

people keep saying his eyes were on the ball. these are elite footballers it doesnt matter, they are aware of whats around them

 

If the other bloke did not leave the ground that foot would have had him in the throat

[Zico]

just watched the sending off totally in isolation i.e. not seen anything else from the game

 

it's a red for me

 

people keep saying his eyes were on the ball. these are elite footballers it doesnt matter, they are aware of whats around them

 

 

in slow motion, from that angle, it's not a red for me as arbeloa has come in from behind on the side of his foot

 

but, in fast motion and depending on the ref's angle, it could have looked worse

 

but I just think it's the usual case of a foreign ref over reacting to having seen a high foot

 

if you can't do that, you can't do an overhead kick in the box in case you hit someone

 

it's nowt like the de jong one that's a red all day, yet he stayed on...

 

[Zico]

Driving back with Zico laughing At Tom from Guildford et al banging on about it being the worst decision ever

 

Piss funny

 

as is how these out of town arm chair fans always have to qualify themselves by adding "lifelong" to their status "utd fan"

 

listen

 

liverpool and utd fans in particular who do these phones ins

 

have to point out they are life long fans, always

[HomerJay]

Red card all day long

 

But only because its utd

 

 

Heard Colina is sayings its a red card

 

Then heard Dermott saying it wouldn't be red in this country.

 

Fuckin ridiculous that we don't all play by the same rules

 

And fuckin ridiculous that in Europe any high foot is seen as dangerous.

 

Yes it may have stung at little, but dangerous?

 

Get to fuck with your sanitised football.

[tomski]

as is how these out of town arm chair fans always have to qualify themselves by adding "lifelong" to their status "utd fan"

 

listen

 

liverpool and utd fans in particular who do these phones ins

 

have to point out they are life long fans, always

I bet it's because they are slightly embarrassed!

[Carlos]

In Spain at the moment, any ball to hand is handball, even if it's volley from a foot away. PLUS you get booked! So now, defenders are going in with their arms behind their backs. Fucking ridic.

[jayjayoghani]

Red card all day long

 

But only because its utd

 

 

Heard Colina is sayings its a red card

 

Then heard Dermott saying it wouldn't be red in this country.

 

Fuckin ridiculous that we don't all play by the same rules

 

And fuckin ridiculous that in Europe any high foot is seen as dangerous.

 

Yes it may have stung at little, but dangerous?

 

Get to fuck with your sanitised football.

 

my work colleague is an ex-ref

 

the reason dg always wore long sleeved ref shirts, he has a man united tattoo on his arm

 

you read this on the internet, therefore it's true

[Leyther_Matt]

Completely justified red card for me, no doubt his studs are raised going in to it, regardless of whether there was any intent.

 

 

Although the phone ins last night were hilarious, what pissed me off upon seeing the highlights when I got back from the Reebok was that there had been fuck all mention on the radio of Rafael's cracking save on the line. Graham Poll in the paper mentioned Nani's should have been a yellow and then Rafael sent off for the handball. Evens out and all that.

[Traf]

It's a red for going in high with studs showing and both feet off the ground.

 

But the secondary motion from the foot looks intentional.

[DazBob]

But the secondary motion from the foot looks intentional.

 

That's what I thought too yet it seems to have been ignored by the media. There's definitely a kicking/pushing out motion as he makes contact. If the ref has seen this too then he had little choice but to give a red.

 

The fact Nani then feigned injury strikes me as someone who knew they'd done something wrong.

[Zulu]

It's a red - because it's United.

 

Bunch of cunts.

[Zulu]

... and it could have killed Van Persie.

[darwen_white]

It's a red all day long.

 

He can't expect to raise his foot to chest height and expect no one to be in the immediate vicinity.

[tomski]

... and it could have killed Van Persie.

It's amazing how whisky faces stance can change so much. They don't control referees in Europe which is unfortunate for them.

[passmosster]

 

Fuckin ridiculous that we don't all play by the same rules

 

 

Disagree. It's just that continental refs don't get pressured by Ferguson before the game so that Utd. get all the decisions.

 

Anyway, to me it's a 50:50. Certainly not the worst decision of all time or a justification for the shower of righteous indignation.

 

And something should be done about Utd. players mobbing the ref sufficient that they don't do it again,i.e ban them from European competition for a season..

[tomski]

Disagree. It's just that continental refs don't get pressured by Ferguson before the game so that Utd. get all the decisions.

 

Anyway, to me it's a 50:50. Certainly not the worst decision of all time or a justification for the shower of righteous indignation.

 

And something should be done about Utd. players mobbing the ref sufficient that they don't do it again,i.e ban them from European competition for a season..

But remember Ferguson was disgusted at Clattenbergs treatment by Chelsea players, shirley his players wouldn't do that?

[Andydee]

Don't know what all the fuss is about.

There'll always be decisions that on closer inspection are wrong, it evens itself out over the season doesn't it.

 

Have to say, seeing Fergie going apoplectic was piss funny when I got in and topped the night off nicely.