frank_spencer Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Interesting to hear Kens comments on ED reason for getting out of the club was because of the abuse he received from some fans. Its sad that he felt that way after the money he’d pumped in and the success we had under his ownership. There was plenty on here having a pop at Eddie when he was stopping his funding. I'm not having it that it was the reason he wanted out though. He couldn't keep chucking money into the abyss especially as he was getting on in age. Davies and Gartside couldn't shift the club and now Ken is having the same problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Hill Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 SJM has had his privileges withdrawn. https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17369300.bolton-wanderers-ban-legend-john-mcginlay-for-negative-comments/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianofcleveleys Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 If Doidge had actually bought a house up here, as Iles reported, wouldnt be surprised to see him turn up somewhere else up north, maybe Rotherham, Barnsley or similar, if Vince prepared to renegotiate at a bit lower price so he's reasonably happy and the lad is too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Doidge isnt up to championship footie People up in arms over not signing a striker thats scored 1 in 15 or something If Ken had paid a mill outright he would have taken pelters for that and letting Le Fondre go, he cant win I think if we wiggled out of that deal then Kens a legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 18, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 18, 2019 He aint joining anybody else this window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigtoe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: He aint joining anybody else this window he can stay at FGR for me, hes shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bigtoe said: he can stay at FGR for me, hes shite He's played for us and FGR this season, so can't play for any other team until next season - is the point Casino is making. KA is obliged I think to offer Vince the initial £250,000 agreed to cover his backside just in case Vince does try to sue the club. KA can then say they renegotiated the signing on date from the original 3rd Jan to the 16th (when the EFL money came in) and honoured this amendment with Norwich in respect of Mathews and had every intention of doing so with FGR too - so the sale was broken by Vince reneging on the amended deal and no KA as Vince is claiming. Up to Vince therefore to prove otherwise as he is on record as saying he agreed a change in payment date (but he claims it was only until the next day). KA can easily prove he couldn't possibly have made payment on the 4th January - but could (and probably did go on to make the offer) on the 16th. It then becomes interesting what happens next. Vince knows he won't get the same money again for Doidge after his 1 in 17 spell with us. He knows he won't be able to sell him this window - so was a guaranteed £250,000 and seemingly two more quarter of a million instalments to follow be beneficial to FGR finances this season and next? Add to that Doidge clearly wanted to leave the club behind Vince's back and that we have supposedly increased his pay significantly - does he really want to go back to much reduced wages at FGR and play for a club he clearly wanted away from? I don't think this story has run its course just yet but it would mean Vince swallowing his words if Doidge ended back with us and I can't somehow see him doing that - maybe that's what KA is banking on too! If you like a bit of a conspiracy theory how about this - Initially it was reported that Vince was happy to wait for payment from BWFC and Doidge wasn't hooked back to FGR until a few days after payment was due - payment due on the 3rd Doidge told to return on the 6th) on the 7th Vince went public with his rant about KA - and also added on the 8th that they will be selling No Ken Do with all monies going to OUR ST!!! How random is that? Almost as though someone contacted Vince after he said he was relaxed about being paid, made him severely doubt he ever would (thus changing his mind and recalling Doidge back there and then) and he in return did a public 'gesture' of goodwill towards them to thank them for their insight into the running of our club and their view of the owner? Just that I can't think of who would possibly do such a thing, or have anything to possibly gain by it though? Can you? Wonder if Iles will be running a story on the ST's jolly day out to see FGR v Bury? Maybe they can all pose for a selfie wearing their No Ken Do T-shirts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 19, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 19, 2019 Marc won't have time for that He will be working on a negative piece about the mistrust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) On 19/01/2019 at 00:08, Sluffy said: He's played for us and FGR this season, so can't play for any other team until next season - is the point Casino is making. KA is obliged I think to offer Vince the initial £250,000 agreed to cover his backside just in case Vince does try to sue the club. KA can then say they renegotiated the signing on date from the original 3rd Jan to the 16th (when the EFL money came in) and honoured this amendment with Norwich in respect of Mathews and had every intention of doing so with FGR too - so the sale was broken by Vince reneging on the amended deal and no KA as Vince is claiming. Up to Vince therefore to prove otherwise as he is on record as saying he agreed a change in payment date (but he claims it was only until the next day). KA can easily prove he couldn't possibly have made payment on the 4th January - but could (and probably did go on to make the offer) on the 16th. It then becomes interesting what happens next. Vince knows he won't get the same money again for Doidge after his 1 in 17 spell with us. He knows he won't be able to sell him this window - so was a guaranteed £250,000 and seemingly two more quarter of a million instalments to follow be beneficial to FGR finances this season and next? Add to that Doidge clearly wanted to leave the club behind Vince's back and that we have supposedly increased his pay significantly - does he really want to go back to much reduced wages at FGR and play for a club he clearly wanted away from? I don't think this story has run its course just yet but it would mean Vince swallowing his words if Doidge ended back with us and I can't somehow see him doing that - maybe that's what KA is banking on too! If you like a bit of a conspiracy theory how about this - Initially it was reported that Vince was happy to wait for payment from BWFC and Doidge wasn't hooked back to FGR until a few days after payment was due - payment due on the 3rd Doidge told to return on the 6th) on the 7th Vince went public with his rant about KA - and also added on the 8th that they will be selling No Ken Do with all monies going to OUR ST!!! How random is that? Almost as though someone contacted Vince after he said he was relaxed about being paid, made him severely doubt he ever would (thus changing his mind and recalling Doidge back there and then) and he in return did a public 'gesture' of goodwill towards them to thank them for their insight into the running of our club and their view of the owner? Just that I can't think of who would possibly do such a thing, or have anything to possibly gain by it though? Can you? Wonder if Iles will be running a story on the ST's jolly day out to see FGR v Bury? Maybe they can all pose for a selfie wearing their No Ken Do T-shirts? You are now in full blown tin foil hat territory. Making up things to further your personal crusade against the trust and in particular certain trust member that you know and I know you’ve had serious issues with. You need another hobby or even better, get a life you sad sad person. Edited January 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: You are now in full blown tin foil hat territory. Making up things to further your personal crusade against the trust and in particular certain trust member that you know and I know you’ve had serious issues with. You need another hobby or even better, get a life you sad sad person. i wouldnt put anything past Lies and the trust still nothing from him on the investigation into a co-opted member of the trust board hes a disgrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Casino said: i wouldnt put anything past Lies and the trust still nothing from him on the investigation into a co-opted member of the trust board hes a disgrace I’m not defending Iles but the fact that sluffy without absolutely any evidence comes to the conclusion that the trust have possibly colluded against BWFC and actively engineered us losing a player is in my opinion reprehensible and all because sluffy had a spat with a trust board member. Edited January 21, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m not defending Iles but the fact that sluffy without absolutely any evidence comes to the conclusion that the trust have possibly colluded against BWFC and actively engineered us losing a player is in my opinion reprehensible and all because sluffy had a spat with a trust board member. If Iles, the trust, McGinlay, Dearden et al are allowed to jump to conclusions, why shouldn't Sluffy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfc2003 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Marc Iles and 3 others liked Remi MatthewsVerified account @Remi_matthews 39m39 minutes ago More Delighted to have completed my permanent move to @OfficialBWFC - one which I chose in the summer with my future in mind - and I'm now looking forward to the rest of the season, thanks to everyone for the kind messages #BWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Traf said: If Iles, the trust, McGinlay, Dearden et al are allowed to jump to conclusions, why shouldn't Sluffy? because he has said previoulsy, many times, that he hasn't got an axe to grind and doesn't jump to conclusions without proof he's pro KA and anti ST - which is perfectly fine - but it keeps trying to deny it for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Traf said: If Iles, the trust, McGinlay, Dearden et al are allowed to jump to conclusions, why shouldn't Sluffy? 2 wrongs and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The Trust has committed more than 2 wrongs in my eye. A major disappointment as I used to be a member. They're just not worth commenting on any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, passmosster said: The Trust has committed more than 2 wrongs in my eye. A major disappointment as I used to be a member. They're just not worth commenting on any more. apparently iles is running a piece on the investigation into the co-opted board member later this week you can only ask yourself why hes delaying it until after tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Perhaps he's got some glossing to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Quite impressive to ring a businessman at random, get him to do himself out of £1m and give you some money instead. Especially given there was no way of them knowing the status of the Doidge deal at that point. Probably used the same Jedi mind skills as Deano did when he got Ken to pay the £1m he pocketed from the BluMarble loan and then get him to promise never to mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, bwfc2003 said: Marc Iles and 3 others liked Remi MatthewsVerified account @Remi_matthews 39m39 minutes ago More Delighted to have completed my permanent move to @OfficialBWFC - one which I chose in the summer with my future in mind - and I'm now looking forward to the rest of the season, thanks to everyone for the kind messages #BWFC Can’t be that bad for the players if he’s still signed He’d run a mile if it was surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, jules_darby said: Can’t be that bad for the players if he’s still signed He’d run a mile if it was surely I’d think without PP at the helm we’d be struggling to keep and attract players, for all his faults he still seems to have the support of the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluffy Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m not defending Iles but the fact that sluffy without absolutely any evidence comes to the conclusion that the trust have possibly colluded against BWFC and actively engineered us losing a player is in my opinion reprehensible and all because sluffy had a spat with a trust board member. Eh??? Where did I come to any conclusion at all? If you read it again I said if you liked 'conspiracy theory's' - you know like - did the USA really land on the moon, or are their extra-terrestrial aliens at Area 51, or who shot JFK. (I do though find it extremely random why the owner of FGR should thank the ST by way of raising funds for it, from the start of the public rift between the two chairmen?) And for the record for about the millionth time - I've no 'spat' with a ST member - but he clearly took an internet forum disagreement and transferred that into real life by spending his own real money to buy a similarly name domain site to our Bolton Nuts one when we first started in an attempt to stop people finding us - and redirecting it to a gay porn site! I'm not the one with the anger management issues mate. I have had issues as to how the ST, as a public body, as undertaken its business though and I've simply pointed out a number of times what are clearly failings of it and its board. As a for instance in holding its mandatory AGM in the second of only its three years of existence so far! If you are happy that the ST is somehow untouchable from factual criticism from me, then that's up to you, but it doesn't make it any less true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 21, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Sluffy said: Eh??? Where did I come to any conclusion at all? If you read it again I said if you liked 'conspiracy theory's' - you know like - did the USA really land on the moon, or are their extra-terrestrial aliens at Area 51, or who shot JFK. (I do though find it extremely random why the owner of FGR should thank the ST by way of raising funds for it, from the start of the public rift between the two chairmen?) And for the record for about the millionth time - I've no 'spat' with a ST member - but he clearly took an internet forum disagreement and transferred that into real life by spending his own real money to buy a similarly name domain site to our Bolton Nuts one when we first started in an attempt to stop people finding us - and redirecting it to a gay porn site! I'm not the one with the anger management issues mate. I have had issues as to how the ST, as a public body, as undertaken its business though and I've simply pointed out a number of times what are clearly failings of it and its board. As a for instance in holding its mandatory AGM in the second of only its three years of existence so far! If you are happy that the ST is somehow untouchable from factual criticism from me, then that's up to you, but it doesn't make it any less true. boltonnutsinguts.com? wonder if it's the same person who set up wanderersgays.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 You've never said anything remotely funny in your life, Sluffy, but that post has really amused me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: boltonnutsinguts.com? wonder if it's the same person who set up wanderersgays.com I had nothing to do with the first one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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