Moderators Zico Posted January 7, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: set to not sure that stands up in a court i was set to go out tonight but now im staying in spraying my bedsheet things change I think you're trying to look for reasonable excuses where there are none if it was with an option then I'm sure it would have said "with an option", like the Brentford deal did "set to" was enough for Doidge to buy a house and for the club to suggest to the media at the weekend it would be sorted as for standing up in court, well, again, I think that's what the FGR guy's statement is all about, and KA's reaction so I think you were right when you said "ours may have had a specific obligation to do so" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I think you're trying to look for reasonable excuses where there are none if it was with an option then I'm sure it would have said "with an option", like the Brentford deal did "set to" was enough for Doidge to buy a house and for the club to suggest to the media at the weekend it would be sorted as for standing up in court, well, again, I think that's what the FGR guy's statement is all about, and KA's reaction so I think you were right when you said "ours may have had a specific obligation to do so" What reasonable excuse is there for us not paying his wages for the past 4 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence Carter Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Nixon reporting we owe Norwich a sizeable six figure sum in unpaid wages for Wildschut & Matthews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 7, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: What reasonable excuse is there for us not paying his wages for the past 4 months? ask him, not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalfordOriginal Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: What reasonable excuse is there for us not paying his wages for the past 4 months? You have to question how we have managed to get away with other clubs paying the loaned players wages for so long!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: ask him, not me Sorry, just adding to your thoughts! There is zero, absolutely zero, defence left. I've been patient and understanding. But it is clear as day we've been taken for a ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Clarence Carter said: Nixon reporting we owe Norwich a sizeable six figure sum in unpaid wages for Wildschut & Matthews. Williams too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famouswanderer Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Have we essentially stolen four players for the best part of four months? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famouswanderer Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Anyway you can bet your life any other transfers with Ken at the helm (unlikely??) will be money upfront no arguements. No club will give us any sort of credit now. Mind that's the least of our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalfordOriginal Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, famouswanderer said: Have we essentially stolen four players for the best part of four months? :-) If you ask me.....What a Owner/Chairman Although imagine where we would have been if he did it with some decent players. We should have been shopping lifting in Harrods not Aldi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, SalfordOriginal said: You have to question how we have managed to get away with other clubs paying the loaned players wages for so long!! Apparently this is what we did with Ameobi when he initially came on loan too. Let Newcastle pay his wages, tell them we'll pay them back our agreed share eventually. Not sure if we ever did. Anyway, on a grim day, here's something of a positive. Football is a cut-throat 'I'm alright Jack' business, and while FGR and Norwich might not be keen to deal with us again in the near future, I doubt it will affect our chances of signing players generally (should we ever get out of embargo). It's been proven time and again that if you're not the club/player being ripped off, you're not that arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, SalfordOriginal said: You have to question how we have managed to get away with other clubs paying the loaned players wages for so long!! Think that is how loan deals work. The parent club is still the employer so pay the wages. The other club pays whatever is agreed as the loan fee to the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalfordOriginal Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ani said: Think that is how loan deals work. The parent club is still the employer so pay the wages. The other club pays whatever is agreed as the loan fee to the club. I always thought it was a percentage of the monthly wage (0-100%) then if the player was good enough you could ask for a loan fee also... So for certain clubs they accepted loan deals just to get the players of the books... But as these cases show, your explanation is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Yeah if you think about the players contract is with their employer (parent club) so their salary payment comes from them. I am self employed but have worked for last 2 years on 'loan' to another company who pay my day rate back to my company and then I take money/dividends from there. The fact we 'owe' money to Norwich for players we have on loan is probably true, if that is an issue or not depends on the terms of the agreement and what the terms are. (That is not a defence of KA btw as it seems if you drop any facts into the debate you must be on one side or the other) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted January 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2019 I see Norwich aren't taking Wildshit back though. They're fucking paying him to stay away, the cunts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SalfordOriginal said: I always thought it was a percentage of the monthly wage (0-100%) then if the player was good enough you could ask for a loan fee also... So for certain clubs they accepted loan deals just to get the players of the books... But as these cases show, your explanation is correct I'm not sure on this, but if for example Matthews is on 1k a month and we have agreed to pay 50% of that for the duration of a three month loan, Norwich will keep paying him as normal and we'll then pay £1.5k back to them at an agreed point. That's probably why it isn't unusual that Doidge was still collecting his wages from FGR, not us. Edited January 7, 2019 by Tombwfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2019 This love in with FGR on Twitter is making my skin crawl. Going supporting another team because he's pointed out something we all knew? It's pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted January 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2019 Most folk tugging over FGR can't even be arsed making the trip to Horwich - i'll plait piss if there's more than a car load of Bolton fans go to the Bury game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: Most folk tugging over FGR can't even be arsed making the trip to Horwich - i'll plait piss if there's more than a car load of Bolton fans go to the Bury game If they weren't playing Bury, it would be fewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, Spider said: This love in with FGR on Twitter is making my skin crawl. Going supporting another team because he's pointed out something we all knew? It's pathetic. We knew we weren't paying for our loanees? I think he's done us a service, revealing in full the way our club is run. Won't catch me going to watch FGR like, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I was also of the impression that the parent club pays the wages and has a separate agreement with the club who loan the player As football creditors won’t FGR, Norwich etc get paid out of our next batch of SKY money directly or does Ken still get his mits on it first? Its all heading one way I’m afraid, admin unless a new buyer comes in quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzo gambaro Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17340493.efl-issue-statement-on-christian-doidge-deal-collapse-at-bolton/ Interesting statement from the EFL suggesting their embargo has caused the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I thought the same, but I suspect the truth is that the embargo highlighted the issue rather than caused it. Ken had to pay FGR for a player he couldn't register, so didn't pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 7, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Traf said: I thought the same, but I suspect the truth is that the embargo highlighted the issue rather than caused it. Ken had to pay FGR for a player he couldn't register, so didn't pay? Seems that way. That being said, if he still owes money to other clubs, you do wonder, how he'd pay anything due to fgr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 7, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2019 have we had the payment of a few milliions from the efl if not, it seems quite easy for them to ensure football debts are paid it actually seems quite easy for Ken to pay the debts on receipt of the payment, but maybe better if the EFL do it having watched the video an odd thing is that vince says anderson said hed pay but then the day after, no payment why not tell vince to get fcuked on the 3rd rather than the 4th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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