Politics

[Winchester White]

17 minutes ago, little whitt said:

but i know 10 people 

who have NEVER VOTED in they lives 

all 10 VOTED REFORM 

If they all speak and spell like you then it's no surprise tbh

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Yep, still hanging their hat on Brexit.

It is Orwellian and will take our youth to save us from our mistakes.

Maybe it highlights that the main political parties have not done enough to engage with these communities since Brexit ? 
 

Spending years calling them thick gullible racists is really not working. 

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, Nowack said:

Yes, local politics can be messy and disruptive at times.
No, that does not give councillors the power to control public health science or vaccination policy.

Nationally though it does, and if that`s what we vote for in a democracy then that is what we will get, but that is another discussion.

To be fair I didn't say 'control public health science of vaccination policy'. I said they can do a lot of harm.

Let's just hope the lot we've collectively just voted in have a bit of 'good old fashioned common sense'.

[Traf]

I just hope that when Reform eventually gain control of any local councils, they do a better job than they're doing in the county councils they're in charge of right now.

[little whitt]

48 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Wait a minute... If we base everything on the 10 people you personally know, and extrapolate that across the entire country...... it means 100% of first time voters voted Reform! 😲

SCARY i know 

[Winchester White]

11 minutes ago, Ani said:

Maybe it highlights that the main political parties have not done enough to engage with these communities since Brexit ? 
 

Spending years calling them thick gullible racists is really not working. 

I fully agree but on the flip side it's just as stupid.

[Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Ani said:

Maybe it highlights that the main political parties have not done enough to engage with these communities since Brexit ? 
 

Spending years calling them thick gullible racists is really not working. 

There's fuck all money to do anything thanks to Brexit. A lot of these deprived areas, where a large proportion of the electorate hang on Farage's every word, are the ones that benefitted most from our EU membership. They're in for a nasty surprise when they find out the Reform leadership don't really give a fuck about them.

[mickbrown]

Labour vote up 4% and Reform down 6% on last year. 
 

The media narrative surrounding Reform is just fucking weird. 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

There's fuck all money to do anything thanks to Brexit. A lot of these deprived areas, where a large proportion of the electorate hang on Farage's every word, are the ones that benefitted most from our EU membership. They're in for a nasty surprise when they find out the Reform leadership don't really give a fuck about them.

Neither do the Labour Party or Tories. 

[Cheese]

25 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Neither do the Labour Party or Tories. 

Everything Labour are doing/have done is aimed at bettering the lives of those people. That's why they get so much shit from the Right. More renters rights, more social housing at higher standards, upping the minimum wage, free breakfast clubs, bringing NHS waiting lists down, renationalising public transport and water, closer economic ties with the biggest trading bloc on the planet etc. etc. Reform's policies are the opposite on virtually every single issue, and are only in the interest of "investors". You're either blind or brainwashed if you can't see the difference. And I'm not suggesting they're perfect for one second.

Edited Friday at 19:00 by Cheese

[Dimron]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Everything Labour are doing/have done is aimed at bettering the lives of those people. That's why they get so much shit from the Right. More renters rights, more social housing at higher standards, upping the minimum wage, free breakfast clubs, bringing NHS waiting lists down, renationalising public transport and water, closer economic ties with the biggest trading bloc on the planet etc. etc. Reform's policies are the opposite on virtually every single issue, and are only in the interest of "investors". You're either blind or brainwashed if you can't see the difference.

I think what has done for the current PM and cabinet is the "we'll do it when we can afford it" mantra... Reeves has slavishly applied her unproven fiscal rules based purely on her hypothesis and stimmed change at the rate promised.

We've been out looking at houses this afternoon (downsizing) and you would have loved the last one we looked at... the 70 odd year old couple were were still in the house when we arrived with the Agent with GB News on and fagging away... we got out of dodge pretty quickly.

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Everything Labour are doing/have done is aimed at bettering the lives of those people. That's why they get so much shit from the Right. More renters rights, more social housing at higher standards, upping the minimum wage, free breakfast clubs, bringing NHS waiting lists down, renationalising public transport and water, closer economic ties with the biggest trading bloc on the planet etc. etc. Reform's policies are the opposite on virtually every single issue, and are only in the interest of "investors". You're either blind or brainwashed if you can't see the difference. And I'm not suggesting they're perfect for one second.

Meanwhile driving many wealth creators and higher income folk out of the country…while increasing benefits for shirkers, supporting illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, increasing borrowing, more debt and for the workers who actually pay taxes increasing pension age. They haven’t got a clue.  

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Dimron said:

I think what has done for the current PM and cabinet is the "we'll do it when we can afford it" mantra... Reeves has slavishly applied her unproven fiscal rules based purely on her hypothesis and stimmed change at the rate promised.

We've been out looking at houses this afternoon (downsizing) and you would have loved the last one we looked at... the 70 odd year old couple were were still in the house when we arrived with the Agent with GB News on and fagging away... we got out of dodge pretty quickly.

They can afford the benefits & asylum bill etc, but can’t find tax cuts and money for state pensions for those who’ve put into the system. 

[Cheese]

Just now, Dimron said:

I think what has done for the current PM and cabinet is the "we'll do it when we can afford it" mantra... Reeves has slavishly applied her unproven fiscal rules based purely on her hypothesis and stimmed change at the rate promised.

We've been out looking at houses this afternoon (downsizing) and you would have loved the last one we looked at... the 70 odd year old couple were were still in the house when we arrived with the Agent with GB News on and fagging away... we got out of dodge pretty quickly.

You think the media would go easier on them if Reeves ramped it up and spent even more? I'm absolutely certain they wouldn't, and the criticism would only intensify even further. It just boggles my mind that people think Reform have the interests of normal working people at heart. Maybe some of their Councillors and future MP's actually do think that way, but I doubt they will last long.

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Meanwhile driving many wealth creators and higher income folk out of the country…while increasing benefits for shirkers, supporting illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, increasing borrowing, more debt and for the workers who actually pay taxes increasing pension age. They haven’t got a clue.  

Who are all these wealth creators I keep hearing about? And where do they go? And do they create more wealth for wherever they go? 

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They can afford the benefits & asylum bill etc, but can’t find tax cuts and money for state pensions for those who’ve put into the system. 

We're all putting into the system to pay for pensioners mate. Even the ones that never worked a day in their lives, but still claim when they hit 65. What are Reform's policies on the future of the state pension?

Edited Friday at 19:19 by Cheese

[Dimron]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You think the media would go easier on them if Reeves ramped it up and spent even more? I'm absolutely certain they wouldn't, and the criticism would only intensify even further. It just boggles my mind that people think Reform have the interests of normal working people at heart. Maybe some of their Councillors and future MP's actually do think that way, but I doubt they will last long.

Maybe the bank balance really was worse then expected when Labour came in, as you say the GB News and Daily Mail would have crucified Labour for "their" financial mismanagement

[Cheese]

Every time I speak to my old retired ex-colleagues, they jokingly say "Just keep working as long as you can lad!", because they're not stupid and realise whatever they "paid in" is irrelevant. Their pension is funded by the generation below them. Otherwise, it would be a finite amount, and they'd have fuck all "in the pot" after 10 years. It all goes back into the system anyway when they buy their cans of stout and packets of Werthers, or a new tire for their vintage motorbike.

[Dimron]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

We're all putting into the system to pay for pensioners mate. Even the ones that never worked a day in their lives, but still claim when they hit 65. What are Reform's policies on the future of the state pension?

 

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Who are all these wealth creators I keep hearing about? And where do they go? And do they create more wealth for wherever they go? 

I have been involved in building maintenance for an international pharmaceutical for a good few years. I was gob-smacked when they started shutting down their main research campus in Oxford this year to relocate to Germany... I thought this was something we were supposedly developing for the future, less than 3 years ago I was there when the conservative Minister of State opened the new buildings

[kent_white]

10 minutes ago, Dimron said:

 

I have been involved in building maintenance for an international pharmaceutical for a good few years. I was gob-smacked when they started shutting down their main research campus in Oxford this year to relocate to Germany... I thought this was something we were supposedly developing for the future, less than 3 years ago I was there when the conservative Minister of State opened the new buildings

That's really sad mate. 

But without the political point scoring - I can see why Germany might be a more attractive proposition to an international pharmaceutical firm than the UK. Or what's left of it. 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

That's really sad mate. 

But without the political point scoring - I can see why Germany might be a more attractive proposition to an international pharmaceutical firm than the UK. Or what's left of it. 

I wonder why? 🤔

[royal white]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Everything Labour are doing/have done is aimed at bettering the lives of those people. That's why they get so much shit from the Right. More renters rights, more social housing at higher standards, upping the minimum wage, free breakfast clubs, bringing NHS waiting lists down, renationalising public transport and water, closer economic ties with the biggest trading bloc on the planet etc. etc. Reform's policies are the opposite on virtually every single issue, and are only in the interest of "investors". You're either blind or brainwashed if you can't see the difference. And I'm not suggesting they're perfect for one second.

It’s taken 2 years to give free breakfasts to less than 4% of schools. Probably the easiest policy to get done. Go Labour! 

[Sweep]

4 hours ago, little whitt said:

but i know 10 people 

who have NEVER VOTED in they lives 

all 10 VOTED REFORM 

If that's true, I can almost guarantee that at least 5 of them fall into the "thick racist" category 

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

 

Spending years calling them thick gullible racists is really not working. 

I'm not sure they're all gullible though

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Meanwhile driving many wealth creators and higher income folk out of the country…while increasing benefits for shirkers, supporting illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, increasing borrowing, more debt and for the workers who actually pay taxes increasing pension age. They haven’t got a clue.  

The Conservatives did all this too.

Are there people that actually think Reform can stop all that you mention?