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[Spider]

What are the UK waters worth?

 

[Jol_BWFC]

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agreed, I don't know why we spend so much time bothering with them, it's worth two parts off fuck all in the grand scheme of things

 

Edit: Just checked, fishing and the associatiated processing currently account for around 0.12% of our GDP.....which is slightly less than our "leather goods" industry.

Classic bargaining tactics. Make a big deal of something that means bugger all. “Concede” it in the hope you can exchange that concession for the other side conceding something that does actually matter.

Problems are (a) I’m sure the EU know it means very little to us, (b) the more you big it up, the more it becomes a big deal (in the media, for example) if you do actually concede it and (c) if you push it too far, it can make it impossible to then concede.

[Sweep]

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

What are the UK waters worth?

 

I read £1.2B, but I'm not sure if that's total worth per year, or what is currently worth to the UK, which are obviously two different things

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I read £1.2B, but I'm not sure if that's total worth per year, or what is currently worth to the UK, which are obviously two different things

I think we get close to a billion out just on UK boats or so I read 

[jmjhb]

30 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Agreed, I don't know why we spend so much time bothering with them, it's worth two parts off fuck all in the grand scheme of things

 

Edit: Just checked, fishing and the associatiated processing currently account for around 0.12% of our GDP.....which is slightly less than our "leather goods" industry.

Cos we fought wars over it innit

[Guest]

23 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Good news at Nissan Sunderland. 
https://bit.ly/2X8HZ7i

 

Hardly grabbed a headline

Great Brexit news doesn’t sell

That said, the BBC ain’t selling anything

[birch-chorley]

Very good news for the NE and the U.K. as a whole 

[Mounts Kipper]

16 hours ago, Sweep said:

Agreed, I don't know why we spend so much time bothering with them, it's worth two parts off fuck all in the grand scheme of things

 

Edit: Just checked, fishing and the associatiated processing currently account for around 0.12% of our GDP.....which is slightly less than our "leather goods" industry.

I’d be happy if we could increase that 0.12% to 0.5% that would hopefully help fishing communities like Fleetwood and Grimsby, surely we should be fighting for a fairer deal, isn’t that what government supposed to be doing?  

And yes we need a FS deal but it needn’t be at the total expense of fishing communities. 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

37 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d be happy if we could increase that 0.12% to 0.5% that would hopefully help fishing communities like Fleetwood and Grimsby, surely we should be fighting for a fairer deal, isn’t that what government supposed to be doing?  

And yes we need a FS deal but it needn’t be at the total expense of fishing communities. 

If we did that there would be no fish left in a few years as it's not sustainable.  Many of the cod, haddock, plaice stocks in UK waters are in decline.

[birch-chorley]

38 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’d be happy if we could increase that 0.12% to 0.5% that would hopefully help fishing communities like Fleetwood and Grimsby, surely we should be fighting for a fairer deal, isn’t that what government supposed to be doing?  

And yes we need a FS deal but it needn’t be at the total expense of fishing communities. 

What your asking for is to grow the industry by 400%, a tall order by any standards. That would add about £4bn to UK GDP 

However you only need a -3% hit in our FS industry to swallow all of that benefit whole

Again, fishing is irrelevant vs FS, the latter must be the priority in any trade deal. I’d happily see our fishing industry thrown under the boat to protect FS if it came down to it 

 

[Casino]

27 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

If we did that there would be no fish left in a few years as it's not sustainable.  Many of the cod, haddock, plaice stocks in UK waters are in decline.

Nah, you're missing a major point

Mounts wants to increase the percentage of GDP

GDP is going to take such a hit, the value of fishing could remain the same and the percentage would still soar

#passports

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

Nah, you're missing a major point

Mounts wants to increase the percentage of GDP

GDP is going to take such a hit, the value of fishing could remain the same and the percentage would still soar

#passports

Ah yes, genius.

Similar to 'car plant stays open' being heralded as a major coup.

Am I missing something, were they going to close it if we stayed in the EU ?

[Mounts Kipper]

29 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

What your asking for is to grow the industry by 400%, a tall order by any standards. That would add about £4bn to UK GDP 

However you only need a -3% hit in our FS industry to swallow all of that benefit whole

Again, fishing is irrelevant vs FS, the latter must be the priority in any trade deal. I’d happily see our fishing industry thrown under the boat to protect FS if it came down to it 

 

I don’t think both are linked to be honest, we can have a better deal for our fishing industry and waters, and negotiate a FS deal without referring to fishing. 
 

It’ll be interesting and surprising to me if the EU really do use the fishing industry as a lever in negotiating the FS deal, given the fishing industry is so small anyway. 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Ah yes, genius.

Similar to 'car plant stays open' being heralded as a major coup.

Am I missing something, were they going to close it if we stayed in the EU ?

Yes your missing something, Sunderland was under threat if you believed the remain hype, due to J.I.T. Production chain, you’ve also missed in that report that Renault look like they’ll shift some models from Barcelona to Sunderland. 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Yes your missing something, Sunderland was under threat if you believed the remain hype, due to J.I.T. Production chain, you’ve also missed in that report that Renault look like they’ll shift some models from Barcelona to Sunderland. 

That is great news then👍

[Casino]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

That is great news then👍

Except

Nissan dont look like they will shift production to sunderland

Nissan say there is capacity, not that they intend to fill it

[Spider]

I might be missing something here

What does the Nissan news add to UK output?

[Cheese]

13 hours ago, Casino said:

Except

Nissan dont look like they will shift production to sunderland

Nissan say there is capacity, not that they intend to fill it

Also, people have forgotten that Theresa May (billed widely as 'the new Maggie Thatcher!' at the time) gave Nissan a tax-funded bribe to convince them not to go. It was almost certainly politically motivated at the time, but these sorts of agreements don't just go away because there's a change of Prime Minister.

https://www.ft.com/content/304e55ce-9d00-11e6-8324-be63473ce146

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nissan-brexit-deal-eu-uk-japan-cars-ministers-theresa-may-a8763121.html

Edited May 29, 2020 by Cheese

[Spider]

You’re just being unpatriotic 

[Sweep]

13 hours ago, Cheese said:

Also, people have forgotten that Theresa May (billed widely as 'the new Maggie Thatcher!' at the time)

To be fair, there was only Bolty who thought that, those who know about UK politics always knew she was far from being like the great lady (but again, for balance, I'm not sure we thought she would be half as shit as she was)

[Tonge moor green jacket]

On 29/05/2020 at 10:03, Farrelli said:

If we did that there would be no fish left in a few years as it's not sustainable.  Many of the cod, haddock, plaice stocks in UK waters are in decline.

Eating trends have changed greatly in recent years. Hugh Fearnley whittingstall did a series and one of the subjects was this.

He cooked up some Pollock in batter and folk loved it. Not easy to find it though.

We've just become stuck on a smaller number of species unfortunately.

[Cheese]

8 hours ago, Sweep said:

To be fair, there was only Bolty who thought that, those who know about UK politics always knew she was far from being like the great lady (but again, for balance, I'm not sure we thought she would be half as shit as she was)

Bolty was FAR from the only one making such proclamations... 

 

[bolty58]

Everything has changed since Covid 19. We need the EU even less. An opportunity to redesign our economic system to a far greater degree that first envisioned by those with belief and vision.

Barnier can stick his veiled threats up his eurotunnel. We should play hardball.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just seen an article claiming the EU is desperate to extend the transition period and have us paying into their bailout fund.

It wasn't written by an unbiased individual though, so could be bunkum.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Just seen an article claiming the EU is desperate to extend the transition period and have us paying into their bailout fund.

It wasn't written by an unbiased individual though, so could be bunkum.

No articles about it are unbiased in reality. Everyone has a view be it conscious or sub conscious. The very notion that their exists and unbiased article out these is nonsense. 
 

people try to pass some off as unbiased to reinforce their own biased views in reality.