Politics

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

What’s the upside then? In your opinion 

The upside to brexit? Or the Japan deal?

If its brexit then its all going to down to the deal that we do. Without knowing what that is we don’t know. Its the fear of the unknown that a lot of people spend their lives avoiding. Settling for something and wondering. Some people are inherent risk takers some aren’t. 
 

Some are just thick and easily led of course but that applies to both sides of the coin 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Escobarp

[birch-chorley]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

I agree with your point but we are at the start of a process. We were never going to walk into deals that were exponentially better than what we have as part of the eu. We will get some that favour us more in certain areas and some that aren’t so good. 
 

 Will be 10/20 years before we can assess how good or bad a choice it was in reality 

I’m sorry but if you go back on the BREXIT threads on here the talk was that we would be able to secure much better deals as they would be bespoke to the U.K. 

Perhaps you didn’t share their optimism so I shouldn't aim it at you but it’s very different from what was promised

it’s the same as what we had anyway, no upside, with downside to come with our EU relationship 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

I’m sorry but if you go back on the BREXIT threads on here the talk was that we would be able to secure much better deals as they would be bespoke to the U.K. 

Perhaps you didn’t share their optimism so I shouldn't aim it at you but it’s very different from what was promised

it’s the same as what we had anyway, no upside, with downside to come with our EU relationship 

Firstly I’ve been pretty clear in my thoughts. I’ve also been clear that if my career was then what it is I’ve I maybe wouldn’t have voted to take the risk. 
 

but come on. We can’t ever use what has been said on here to reflect what’s been promised. 

[Escobarp]

On the flip side birch if we are using what has been promised on here as a true indicator then how do you still have a job and a house? You should be on the streets now with no hope on future. 
 

you will hopefully see my point. 

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I’m sorry but if you go back on the BREXIT threads on here the talk was that we would be able to secure much better deals as they would be bespoke to the U.K. 

Perhaps you didn’t share their optimism so I shouldn't aim it at you but it’s very different from what was promised

it’s the same as what we had anyway, no upside, with downside to come with our EU relationship 

The big deals and benefits are only doable if we don’t accept the level playing field, that’s why we are only doing rollover deals at the moment. 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[birch-chorley]

32 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

On the flip side birch if we are using what has been promised on here as a true indicator then how do you still have a job and a house? You should be on the streets now with no hope on future. 
 

you will hopefully see my point. 

I’ve still got my job, plenty of my colleagues lost theirs though 

The £ has been 20% lower in the 5 years since BREXIT vs the previous 5 years. For a business like ours that relays on converting £ into $ to buy RAW materials it’s been devastating 

I called that on page 1 of the original BREXIT thread and was told it was nonsense. Was also told we could be out in 2 weeks, nobody had a clue about article 50 taking 2 years at least! 

[Sweep]

Just now, birch-chorley said:

I’ve still got my job, plenty of my colleagues lost theirs though 

The £ has been 20% lower in the 5 years since BREXIT vs the previous 5 years. For a business like ours that relays on converting £ into $ to buy RAW materials it’s been devastating 

I called that on page 1 of the original BREXIT thread and was told it was nonsense. Was also told we could be out in 2 weeks, nobody had a clue about article 50 taking 2 years at least! 

Do you remember that Maggie Tate saying that the e/r was just a seasonal thing 🤣 - he was the one who said the deal would definitely be done before Christmas. It's a shame he doesn't post anymore really

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I’ve still got my job, plenty of my colleagues lost theirs though 

The £ has been 20% lower in the 5 years since BREXIT vs the previous 5 years. For a business like ours that relays on converting £ into $ to buy RAW materials it’s been devastating 

I called that on page 1 of the original BREXIT thread and was told it was nonsense. Was also told we could be out in 2 weeks, nobody had a clue about article 50 taking 2 years at least! 

Let’s not remember where some Of the blame for why it’s taken so long needs to firmly sit shall we? And that in itself contributed towards the weakness in the pound. 
 

And it’s highly unfortunate that people have lost their jobs as a direct result. For balance I’m advised we haven’t made anyone redundant in the last 5 years and our uk team has grown by 15% in terms of headcount myself being one of them. 

[birch-chorley]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Do you remember that Maggie Tate saying that the e/r was just a seasonal thing 🤣 - he was the one who said the deal would definitely be done before Christmas. It's a shame he doesn't post anymore really

Aye 

The uncertainty from having a vote on it had the £ losing 10% vs the $, went further south when the vote came in 

The BREXIT mob on here rubbished it as scare mongering and standard seasonal swings 

Fir 5 years it’s gone up and down based on the latest BREXIT news. Talk of a good free trade deal with the EU it goes up, talk of no deal and it goes down 

[Escobarp]

The brexit mob 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[kent_white]

6 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Do you remember that Maggie Tate saying that the e/r was just a seasonal thing 🤣 - he was the one who said the deal would definitely be done before Christmas. It's a shame he doesn't post anymore really

I've never known anybody so seemingly intelligent be so demonstrably wrong on so many settled issues! 

Be interesting to see if he's changed his opinions at all a couple of years down the line. 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

The brexit mob 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Tag team wrestling championship 

The Brexit Mob Vs The Usual Suspects 

Ding ding 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Ani said:

Could you give as many examples of footballers signing a new contract on the same terms. 
 

All these deals are in essence roll overs of the existing EU deals 

No they're not.

Some continuity agreements were made previously to avoid bumps, until more specific ones were agreed later.

Even if they were just the same, then that's no more a positive for being in the eu than out of it. A neutral situation. 

However, without the drawbacks of membership. 

[Escobarp]

13 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Tag team wrestling championship 

The Brexit Mob Vs The Usual Suspects 

Ding ding 😁

I think I know where my money would lie for a mass 7 a side straightener 😉

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No they're not.

Some continuity agreements were made previously to avoid bumps, until more specific ones were agreed later.

Even if they were just the same, then that's no more a positive for being in the eu than out of it. A neutral situation. 

However, without the drawbacks of membership. 

So they are not the same but are ‘continuity’ agreements ? I asked the guy who posted the original link on Twitter and he confirmed they were in essence roll over deals. I think he mentioned the Swiss one was slightly worse than previous but that was interim until a fuller agreement in place. 
The original post of here could be taken as ‘look at all these new deals’ which they simply are n’t. 

[Ani]

24 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

Be interesting to see if he's changed his opinions at all a couple of years down the line. 

No other fucker has. 

[Sweep]

28 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No they're not.

Some continuity agreements were made previously to avoid bumps, until more specific ones were agreed later.

Even if they were just the same, then that's no more a positive for being in the eu than out of it. A neutral situation. 

However, without the drawbacks of membership. 

or it could be argued (by some), without some of the benefits of membership 😉

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

I think I know where my money would lie for a mass 7 a side straightener 😉

You mean the Brexit Mob would be using their zimmers? 😉

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

I think I know where my money would lie for a mass 7 a side straightener 😉

You’re all fists, sweating, shouting and windmilling

No finesse, no subtlety.

 

[Escobarp]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’re all fists, sweating, shouting and windmilling

No finesse, no subtlety.

 

I wasn’t to be involved 😘 too far to travel for limited enjoyment 

but that’s a pretty decent description to be fair 😂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

36 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’re all fists, sweating, shouting and windmilling

No finesse, no subtlety.

 

Which side would you be on?

Switch part way through?

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Which side would you be on?

Switch part way through?

Critical headshot 😂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Critical headshot 😂

Like Game of Thrones.

 

[wanderer1984]

5 hours ago, Ani said:

Could you give as many examples of footballers signing a new contract on the same terms. 
 

All these deals are in essence roll overs of the existing EU deals 

Yes but they are not EU deals to us anymore

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

You’re all fists, sweating, shouting and windmilling

No finesse, no subtlety.

 

Be like half a dozen Ronnie Pickering stereotypes all thrashing about 😅